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Wicks/Relf (Sussex, Reading, and on to Wiinipeg)
« on: Saturday 16 November 24 20:21 GMT (UK) »
Hoping to find Annie Maria Relf, who was born in Burwash, Sussex on 27 May 1885 (birthdate from baptismal record), the daughter of William James Relf and Hannah Potten.  The Relfs had a large family and moved around a bit, by 1911 William was in Eltham, London and Hannah declares she has 12 children, 12 living.  In 1921 she is in an institution in Brentwood, Essex.

I have had trouble tracking Annie but think she might be the Annie M. Relf who married Albert Wicks in Reading district in Jun 1914.  They are likely the couple who arrived at Philadelphia, USA, 23 Apr 1914.

The age is a good match for Annie.  They were heading for Winnipeg, Manitoba and appear there on the 1916 Manitoba census and the 1921 Canadian census.  In 1916 Annie is listed as Annie Maria.  Albert is a carpenter, as he was on the passenger list in 1914. They were going to an uncle, J. Richards, Winnipeg, on the passenger list.  I do not know who he is.

Annie gives her birthplace as Sevenoaks, Kent on the passenger list (Albert's is Reading).  This is the only blaring discrepancy that I can find but there is no Annie M. Relf on FreeBMD for that time period born in Sevenoaks.

Find My Grave has Albert's death as 8 Dec 1947, and his is buried in Winnipeg.  A very good candidate for Annie arrives in England (Liverpool) in 1948, going to 33 Kennett St., Reading. Her age matches.

I believe it is possible Albert arrived in Canada well before Annie did, and that he returned to England at some point, perhaps meeting her there, and decided then to return to Canada.

If anyone has any connection to these folks or can identify Annie more precisely, I would be very grateful.

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Re: Wicks/Relf (Sussex, Reading, and on to Wiinipeg)
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 16 November 24 20:34 GMT (UK) »
Berkshire marriage index has the following:

Albert WICKS and Annie Marie RELF
married 11 Apr 1914 at St Peter, Caversham Berkshire

Groom: Age 30, bachelor, carpenter, living at 38 Cromwell Road, Caversham
Bride: Age 28, spinster, living at "Breceeles", Southcote Road, Reading. Daughter of William James Relf

Witnesses: William James Relf, Florence Annie Hazell

EDIT: Bride's age corrected
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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast

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Re: Wicks/Relf (Sussex, Reading, and on to Wiinipeg)
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 16 November 24 20:38 GMT (UK) »
Thank you!  This certainly looks like her, but her age is off by 10 years.  Wonder if this has been transcribed incorrectly.  All the other sources have her age matching Annie Maria, daughter of William James Relf, born in 1885.
Her father died in 1933, so certainly could have witnessed the marriage.


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Re: Wicks/Relf (Sussex, Reading, and on to Wiinipeg)
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 16 November 24 20:40 GMT (UK) »
Oops - sorry. She was indeed 28. Have corrected.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast


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Re: Wicks/Relf (Sussex, Reading, and on to Wiinipeg)
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 November 24 20:44 GMT (UK) »
Do you have her in 1911? She has been mistranscribed as Annie Marie Rey.

She was 24 years old at the time, and working as a parlour maid in the household of a brewer called Frederick Simonds. Same address as given on the marriage record above.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast

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Re: Wicks/Relf (Sussex, Reading, and on to Wiinipeg)
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 November 24 21:08 GMT (UK) »
My iPad won’t stay on.  Can’t double check the 1914 passenger list - J Richards may be for the passenger name under Wicks.  Before iPad died I think I saw (returning) “Home” for the Wicks.

Sending this before iPad dies again. Apologies if I am incorrect about the above.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Wicks/Relf (Sussex, Reading, and on to Wiinipeg)
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 16 November 24 21:13 GMT (UK) »
I’m still here.  :o  (Having major problems with iPad.)

Can now view the passenger image:
Home(?)
528 Maryland
Winnipeg

Albert had been in the U.S. before although it has “In transit” so perhaps just on his way to Canada? Annie hadn’t.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Wicks/Relf (Sussex, Reading, and on to Wiinipeg)
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 16 November 24 21:19 GMT (UK) »
Departure on 15 Apr 1914
from Southampton to New York
on board the Phildelphia (American Steamship Line)

Albert Wicks (farmer age 30) and Annie Wicks (wife)
ticket number 293475

Arrived 23 Apr 1914
Albert now described as a carpenter
Home address given as 38 Cromwell Road Caversham, Reading, Berks England

so definitely the same couple who had only recently married

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast

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Re: Wicks/Relf (Sussex, Reading, and on to Wiinipeg)
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 16 November 24 21:25 GMT (UK) »
I’m still here.  :o  (Having major problems with iPad.)

Can now view the passenger image:
Home(?)
528 Maryland
Winnipeg

Albert had been in the U.S. before although it has “In transit” so perhaps just on his way to Canada? Annie hadn’t.

Can't see the record you are referring to
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast