"Robert Carson" and Wives

[martinneilb]

So after many years trying to see if I can unblock a brick wall
No birth or death record or siblings. - So looking for any of these, or even a good lead

Robert Carson - circa 1780-1850
Weaver, Church Beadle (1842)  (St Andrews by the Green, Episcopal Church, Glasgow)
Publican - Church records show he has not to run a pub in the same Parish as the church while Beadle
Many of the children birth/baptism are recorded in St Andrews by the green records, not Scotlands People.

1780 Approx., Based on 1841 Census - Occupation Labourer Record says Born Ireland -only places he is recorded as a labourer, he is many things but not a labourer, so some doubt over this record.
Family Search as an entry showing him born 8 April 1783 in MullaghBrack, Armagh, Ireland but no
records to back this up

1806 Marriage - to Sarah Creaton/Crichton - Registered Barony Lanarkshire - Occupation Cotton weaver
1809 Girvan Ayrshire -- birth of daughter Mary 12 Mar 1809
1815 Birth of Daughter Elizabeth Carson 31 Jan 1815  - Shettleston (aka Glasgow)
1817 Approx. - Birth of son James Carson - James is not baptized until aged 10
1820 Birth of son - Robert Carson, Cambuslang, Lanarkshire
1822 Birth of Daughter Sarah - 09 Jun 1822 - Shettleston, Lanarkshire
1824 Birth of Daughter Sarah Ann 30 May 1824, Barony, Glasgow Lanarkshire
1824-1835 Wife Sarah dies?
1824-25 Publican St Cutherbert, Street
1827 Son James Baptized aged 10, mother listed as Sarah
1827 16 dec, Barony  Robert Carson - Weaver - Marriage to Agnes Sutherland - No other record so hard to know if this is the right man.
1828-29 Tavern 66 Trongate
1835 Marriage to Charlotte Ferguson 25/Oct/1835 or 13 Nov 1835
1836 Birth daughter Sarah Ann Carson - 12 Sep 1836, Shettleston, Lanarkshire
1838 Birth of son Thomas Henry White Carson, 25 March 1838. Barony, Lanarkshire
1840 Birth of Daughter Charlotte Carson 31 May 1840, Shettleston, Lanarkshire
1843 Birth of Daughter Margaret Ann Norval Carson, 10 Dec 1843, Glasgow, Lanarkshire (in 1901 Robert described as Weaver on Margarets Death)
1848 (approx. Date)  Birth of Daughter Eliza (Ellison) Carson.
1849 Charlotte Ferguson - marries Archibald McNicol  05 Jun 1849


https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LT2H-644
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Carson-6787

[CaroleW]

Have you already ruled out the Robt Carson death 27.3.1845 - no age shown

[Neale1961]

1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14ecbcf4040b9d6ef40e90/charlotte-carson-1841-lanarkshire-barony-1840-?locale=en

I believe it is correct. It matches all the information in your listed timeline.

[Neale1961]

Have you looked at the burial in Glasgow 16/ 10/ 1847
Robt. Carson age 80

[martinneilb]

So the 1845 I can rule out, that was a sailor who drowned.

The 1847 corresponds to a Robert Carson, Labourer also aged 60 (in 1841 census) living at Steel St,  the death record also cites Steel Street based on that I dont think it is him.
This is him in 1841 CARSON ROBERT 1841 M 60 644/1 109/ 25 Glasgow Lanark

His 3rd wife is listed as a Widow in the 1851 Census, so seems likely he is dead by then.
Last child is born (assuming he is father) is in 1848

This is my issue with the 1841 Census 2 Robert Carson both aged 60 both from Ireland, both labourers. Not impossible, but the one I am looking for was literate, he was a publican, Church Beadle, and a Weaver. So I think the 1841 Census is suspect.

[Neale1961]

You have listed Robert’s wife and children in your first post, which you must assume to be correct, but when those same children with correct ages, and same wife appear with him in the census, you say it is suspect. That makes little sense to me.

Being recorded as a “day labourer” (a very broad term) in the summer of 1841, doesn’t preclude Robert from being a weaver, or a publican, or later becoming the church beadle. It just shows how in the life of one man, his occupation may have changed depending on his age, health, abilities and the economic situation of the day. Also, one can be literate and also a labourer.

I think you may need to broaden your approach to your research.

[martinneilb]

"You have listed Robert’s wife and children in your first post, which you must assume to be correct, but when those same children with correct ages, and same wife appear with him in the census, you say it is suspect. That makes little sense to me." 

Fair query however

On the actual Census he is on a separate page, if they had all been on one page I would totally get your logic. I am not ruling the census out, just strange 2 people identical names ages and occupations in same place in 1841 Census. I get 1841 was rounded ages, etc. It is also odd that they family are not listed together, again it is not unknown.

On the occupation, on Baptism records he is listed as a Weaver in 1838,1840 then Beadle 1842, 1843 (no child born 1841).

[Forfarian]

On the actual Census he is on a separate page, if they had all been on one page I would totally get your logic.

Maybe Robert was on the last line on one page and the rest were on the next page? It's quite common for families to be split over two pages when there are more of them than there are lines left on the census page.

[Neale1961]

The Robert Carson in Steel Street, is probably the one that died there in 1847, even though the difference in age.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14e9eaf4040b9d6ef0f32b/robt-carson-1841-lanarkshire-glasgow-1781-?locale=en


I don't see any other census record for a Robert Carson of the same age.


Your Carson family IS listed together, just that there is a change of page.
Obviously from the bottom of one page to the top of the next, there must be a new page. It happens continually throughout the census. It is quite normal and common to have a household split across the page turn. ( I agree with Forfarian) In this case you need to look at the address and household markings.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14ecbcf4040b9d6ef40e82/robt-carson-1841-lanarkshire-barony-1781-?locale=en