John & Sarah Bowden from Stockport

[DCB]

If the same family, and going by the censuses, the last child to be born was Sarah Maria, mmn Lunney, baptised on 16th September 1838 in Glossop, Derbyshire.

I can't see a marriage between John and Sarah.

1851 - Organ Street, Hollingworth, Ashton under Lyne, Cheshire
Sarah Bowden Head Widow Female 49 1802 Wasking (Washing) Ireland
Thomas Bowden Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Cotton piecer Tintwistle, Cheshire
Jane Bowden Daughter - Female 13 1838 Assistant to cotton weaver Glossop, Derbyshire
(possibly James in 1841, gender changed from female to male on image)

One tree has John Bowden marrying Sarah Lunney, but no details for either on births or marriage

David

[DCB]

I don't know if it is the same person, but there is an article in the Derbyshire Currier on 4th May 1839 about an inquest for John Bowden.

It states that he was a pensioner who had been in Stockport to receive his quarter's pension, and was returning home by the Glossop Market coach when, on arriving a short distance from Mottram, he jumped off the coach and fractured his skull and died the following morning.

There was a burial in Glossop on 2nd May 1839 age 54.

David

[Ray T]

Censuses 1851 onwards should give place of birth and age.

No entry in Cheshire for a John & Sarah Bowden.  Wording of post suggests they moved out of Cheshire hence interest in Stockport

Stockport was in Cheshire at the time.

To be precise, those parts South of the Mersey were. The rest was in Lancashire.

[LizzieW]

I always think of Stockport as being the town itself, not the outlying districts such as Heaton Norris which were in Lancashire.

[Ray T]

Depends what you consider to be the “town itself”. The old boundary between Cheshire and Lancashire runs down the middle of the Merseyway shopping centre. The clue is in it’s name - it’s built over the river. Before that, Princes Street, (previously Heaton Lane) the main shopping street, was in Lancashire.

[Chris Nilsen]

Thank you everyone for the responses.
I can confirm all the records located after 1827 are correct. Any trees found are probably mine.

The 3 earlier baptisms for John & Sarah are interesting though, and may indicate there’s more to this story.
I looked up the registers and the first two just say ‘Stockport’ whereas the Sarah’s baptism abode is given as ‘Cale Green’.
Is this anywhere near ‘Park’ in Stockport?
Records I have suggest that John was born c1785 and Sarah nee Lunney born c1801.
This would make Sarah too young to be the mother of Joel, Josiah (1st) and Sarah from 1812.
Perhaps John married two Sarah’s. But I cannot find either of them.

I’m happy to search un-indexed registers to look for possible marriages, but where should I be looking, and have all of them been indexed anyway?

I think I once discovered a burial for a Sarah Bowden, wife of John in Stockport burials. I might need to find that again.

I looked at Cheshire Land Tax assessments but found nothing conclusive.

Where else can I look?
Are there directories maybe for Stockport, or other records available?

Thanks again.

[amondg]

As a cotton weaver it is unlikely he owned his house, so he will not appear in land tax records.

There might be a will of a landowner that mentions the names of tenants of property they own.

 

[Ray T]

Cale Green is a small area to the south west of the town centre (just beyond the workhouse). Originally, hardly more than a village, it quickly became subsumed into the town as a whole.

I too was wondering what was meant by “Park”. I’d have a look for you but I’m currently 200 miles away using an iPad and campsite wifi! Maybe next week if you aren’t sorted.

Within a stone’s throw of Cale Green today are Davenport Park - not sure whether it was there during the time period you’re looking at - and Edgeley Park - the home of the local football club - I’m sure that has nothing to do with it! An area called “Park” usually has a word before it defining where it is.

[AlanBoyd]

ADDED: see my next post, which I am much more confident about.

Various newspaper articles from the early 19th century list the following streets as being at 'Park, Stockport': King Street, Queen Street and Mersey Street.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/114581257#zoom=5.2&lat=3652&lon=5937&layers=BT

This map view 1874 (1893) shows Mersey Street at the extreme east side running ~ EW, King Street running NS from the Mersey Bridge with Queen Street running parallel to it further east.

I wonder if 'Park' is a reference to Cheadle Moseley House and the associated land. the notable empty space in the map?