Deciphering a parish marriage dispensation for Little Bray

[KD146]

I just Googled Edward McCabe - apparently his parish was Monkstown/Glasthule from 1865-1879, so he was quite local, although the 1879 marriage was in Little Bray.

[Wexflyer]

*EDIT* I made a mistake, 1822 was Peter's baptism, his father was baptised in 1787, so Crinken could also have been the chapel.

Actually, that probably removes a possible reason for the dispensation. If Peter was born in 1787, then he would have been 91 years old in January, 1879, so capacity for proper consent might have been an issue.

[Wexflyer]

One thing I noticed about this marriage: the first witness is a regular - that is he appears as a witness on multiple marriages. I can only conceive of that happening where the parties being married did not have family and friends in attendance. Why would that be, given that both parties were local?

[shanreagh]

It could, of course. I have searched for other earlier marriages, but found none. I will keep looking. But thank you so much for your very useful input!

Umm... An existing, previous marriage could not be dispensed with under any circumstance! [Except the Pauline exception, which obviously doesn't apply in this case].

So that is certainly not the issue.
More likely is a close relationship by blood or marriage.
See the following for an extended discussion of impediments,
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/canonical-impediments

Yes I was wondering it it was a relational issue. Were they related to each other to the degree that might have needed a dispensation?  The other idea was that it was a mixed marriage though earlier on in this thread it says that Jane was also a Catholic.  She may well have been a Catholic to those who followed because she 'turned' Catholic to marry but been a protestant before that.   

[shanreagh]

Jane Toole's parents names are Jacobi and Maria Lacey (I think)

perhaps her mothers name was Toole, so Jane Toole Lacey
or
Jane herself married a Toole so Jane Lacey Toole.

[shanreagh]

I am interested in the second marriage record on the attached page from the Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI for Little Bray, no.195, Peter Kearney and Jane Toole.

There is a Dispensation note on columns 7 and 8 which is practically illegible. I wonder if anyone more familiar with these dispensations might make a good guess at what it says? Peter and Jane married late in life, and it seems that Peter emigrated to the US in 1850, but returned to Ireland, where he inherited his father's farm. His emigration led to him marrying late, and I wondered if the dispensation might offer any more information.  Many thanks.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633819#page/24/mode/1up

There is a census record in 1850 for Peter Carney, again with Nicholas Carney
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MD9Y-5CL

The census was taken in August 1850 so Peter would have arrived before then. 

[Wexflyer]

Jane Toole's parents names are Jacobi and Maria Lacey (I think)

perhaps her mothers name was Toole, so Jane Toole Lacey
or
Jane herself married a Toole so Jane Lacey Toole.

No, you are misinterpreting the format of the register!

She is named as Joanna Toole, with parents Jacobi & Maria Lacy.
That translates to:
Joanna (Jane?) Toole, with father James Toole & mother Mary Lacy.
The surname of her father is implicit from her surname.

[shanreagh]

Thanks.  So if she was a widow would the format of the parents names change?

Most of the records I have seen do have the father's and mothers names clearer eg
Jacobi toole and Mary lacey

Here is the link to the civil registration copy and we can see she is a spinster so not married before. Her father's name is given as James.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11057/8045467.pdf

[Wexflyer]

Thanks.  So if she was a widow would the format of the parents names change?

Most of the records I have seen do have the father's and mothers names clearer eg
Jacobi toole and Mary lacey

Here is the link to the civil registration copy and we can see she is a spinster so not married before. Her father's name is given as James.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11057/8045467.pdf

I can see why, if you look at just this particular register entry, you could easily interpret it the way you did -  that her father was a Lacy, and that she was a widow of a man named Toole. I initially did the same myself. However, the format of the other entries is conclusive in favor of the alternative interpretation I put forward.
Also, the Christian names are in Latin, so you need to translate Jacobi to James, etc.