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« on: Wednesday 06 November 24 18:58 GMT (UK) »
Hello I hoping that somebody will be able to tell me if I have understood this record from the UK Register of Soldiers Effects correctly.
The widow Gertrude received £9 12 6 ( was this money owed to the soldier?)
and then in December 1919 she received a war gratuity of £15 10s. 
Also the last column has the words recharge & child - what do they relate to? ( the soldier did have a child)


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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 06 November 24 19:07 GMT (UK) »
Moderator comment: topics merged

Hopefully I have now attached the extract

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Re: attachement for post soldiers effects
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 06 November 24 19:21 GMT (UK) »
In blue is his personal money + pay owed.
In red is the gratuity paid to all NOK's based on £5 for the the first years service + 10s.
for every month thereafter.
From this you can work out when he joined.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: attachement for post soldiers effects
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 November 24 22:03 GMT (UK) »
That is a great help - thank you both.
From that information - and if my sums are correct - 2years 9 months service? Can I ask if it the amount was just related to overseas service?

I'm pretty sure that on the Medal Roll it gave a date of August 1914 for joining the service.


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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 November 24 22:39 GMT (UK) »
Who are we talking about.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: attachement for post soldiers effects
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 November 24 23:05 GMT (UK) »
His name is William Hubert Gardiner - he in the Rifle Brigade - service number S6364.
I have not been able to find his service record just the Medal roll, soldiers effects and details of his death in March 1918

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Re: attachement for post soldiers effects
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 07 November 24 10:29 GMT (UK) »
I'm pretty sure that on the Medal Roll it gave a date of August 1914 for joining the service.

There are two Medal Rolls --

The one for the British War Medal and Victory Medal does not show a date of enlistment. However, it does show that he was first with the 12th Battalion and then with the 1st Battalion.

The Medal Roll for the 1914/15 Star medal shows that he disembarked into a Theatre of War on the 21st July 1915. This date is confirmed by his Medal Index Card which also shows that the Theatre of War was France.

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 07 November 24 11:15 GMT (UK) »
As approximately two thirds of WW1 service records were destroyed during the WW2 bombing of London, researchers have to look at other surviving records that may give an idea of a soldier's enlistment date. One such set of records to look at are the registers for soldiers who were discharged from service due to wounds / sickness -- these registers are known as the Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920. Using these records I looked for soldiers that had been discharged and that their service number was close to that of Gardiner -- my search came up with --

S6319 -- Lord, H -- enlisted 21/11/1914
S6333 -- Edwards, A -- enlisted 22/11/1914
S6364 -- Gardiner, WH
S6407 -- Sansum, G -- enlisted 23/11/1914

Cross referencing these three men to their entry in the Medal Rolls, I find tyhat all three were in the 12th battalion, Rifle Brigade. I feel that it is safe to say that Gardiner enlisted on either the 22nd or 23rd November 1914.

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 07 November 24 11:22 GMT (UK) »
I meant to add that the Medal Index Cards for Lord and Edwards also show that they entered a Theatre of War, France, on the 21st July 1915 -- the same day as Gardiner.