Unfindable couple / Male was in Navy

[bradwaterss]

I heard back from the GRO, they offered a refund and also if I order a MDF they could stretch the document to obtain the hidden information so I’m working on that now

Brad

[Neale1961]

Brad, I don’t have access to the 1921 census, but Sc00p says that it would appear that the name Mabel Harmer was written and then changed to Mary Elizabeth Harmer. Others may be able to comment on what they see.
This adds weight to my theory that Mary Elizabeth Harmer, nee Sayles was the same person as Mabel Ethel Brooks, who is the mother of Joseph Brooks born 1915. (The name Mabel can be a diminutive for Maria.)
Theoretically, the father of the child would be Joseph Brooks born 1875.

All of that appears to be plausible at the moment, but the only way to confirm it for certain, is to find the DNA matches. If your grandmother is open to taking a DNA test, you might make additional progress.

[louisa maud]

Well done to all Rootschaters Involved  with this query, they have all worked so hard on your behalf.

LM

[bradwaterss]

I agree

I cannot thank you guys enough , you have all been amazing and dedicated so much time to this case I really appreciate it and could never of found most of this information without you

Brad

[Cas (stallc)]

Brad, I don’t have access to the 1921 census, but Sc00p says that it would appear that the name Mabel Harmer was written and then changed to Mary Elizabeth Harmer. Others may be able to comment on what they see.
This adds weight to my theory that Mary Elizabeth Harmer, nee Sayles was the same person as Mabel Ethel Brooks, who is the mother of Joseph Brooks born 1915. (The name Mabel can be a diminutive for Maria.)
Theoretically, the father of the child would be Joseph Brooks born 1875.

All of that appears to be plausible at the moment, but the only way to confirm it for certain, is to find the DNA matches. If your grandmother is open to taking a DNA test, you might make additional progress.

The theory was proposed in reply #54, which have always been my thoughts. With the info from Sc00p this adds much more weight. Also think for whatever reason, as ShaunJ mentioned, reply #85 that the name Brooks was written and verbally corrected to registrar on the DC by M. E Harmer.

Also to clarify to Bushinn in 1921 she is a general domestic servant to a private employer, it does not state she is working for JB. But as he is classed as invalid, it could be she is assisting in running the boarding house, or is working elsewhere.

If I remember correctly I think her mother had the same occupation in 1911 as boarding house keeper. Also maybe another coincidence, or not, her father had the middle name of Thomas.

I agree DNA is the only way to possibly confirm or rule out, as I suggested previously.

Cas

[BushInn1746]

Re Reply #129
Sc00p

Mary Elizabeth Harmer

Looks like the end of Mary could of been a letter l ( L ) ?

Part of original forename looks to have been overwritten?

[BushInn1746]

Beatrice Lilian Brooks of 25 Balmes Road

Marriage 19 March 1932, St Andrew, Willesden Middlesex

Beatrice Lilian Brooks, 25, Spinster, of 25 Balmes Road, Southgate Road, N1, Father, Joseph Brooks, Deceased, Salesman

Married

Albert Edward Wright, 33, Bachelor, Clerk, 21 Dean Road, Father, George Albert Wright, Deceased, Carpenter.
Present: Brooks ; S M Wright

Right of the image, one of those present (witness) was a Brooks.

Regarding 25 Balmes Road, Southgate
Road, N1 that was the address on the Navy Index Card

Navy Index Card
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61588/records/157209377?tid=&pid=&queryid=d8c30741-8687-4ebc-8cfa-f43a084adc83&_phsrc=Rnp636&_phstart=successSource

[BushInn1746]

From https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/224916665/edith-may-harmer

Mary Elizabeth HARMER
Birth Date   1877
Death Date 17 Aug. 1964
Cemetery   Chatham Maidstone Road Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place   Chatham, Medway Unitary Authority, Kent, England

Name
William Alfred HARMER
Birth Date   1905
Death Date 3 May 1961
Cemetery   Chatham Maidstone Road Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place   Chatham, Medway Unitary Authority, Kent, England


Name Julia Louie HARMER
Birth Date   1903
Death Date 14 May 1927
Cemetery   Chatham Maidstone Road Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place   Chatham, Medway Unitary Authority, Kent, England


Name Edith May HARMER
Birth Date   1900
Death Date 12 Dec. 1923
Cemetery   Chatham Maidstone Road Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place   Chatham, Medway Unitary Authority, Kent, England

James Carl HARMER lived until 1973 and died in Nottingham

Sue

See also Reply #144

These above are all given a reference B, 45

Except
James Carl Harmer, DDA, 297
Which is shared with Beatrice Lilian Harmer, DDA, 297
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Joseph Brooks, 3 June 1922, Burial date?
DDA, 115

[haliared]

Transcript only:
Chatham, Maidstone Road & Palmerston Road Cemetery, Section DDA Grave No. 115 (C), burial date 3 Jun 1922.
Entry No. 28361. 10'
Joseph Brooks age 46.
Pensioner R.N.
Died at 47 New Road. Removed from St Paul

Apologies if I cannot post any of this, if so please can the moderator remove any offending details.