Unfindable couple / Male was in Navy

[heywood]

Hi
So you are saying-

1919 Pension directed (presumably by post) to 47 New Street.
 
1921 Address 25 Balmes Rd with HARMER.

1922 DC 47 New St.  Shared with HARMER.

Do I have it?

Sue

1921 is New Street, Hastings with Harmer

1921 Martha Brooks is in Balmes Road, Hackney

[sparrett]

1921 is New Street, Hastings with Harmer

1921 Martha Brooks is in Balmes Road, Hackney

Ah Ok....

I don't have access to 1921, but jumped into the now ended free thing at the weekend.

I failed to save some vital bits obviously.

Sue

[sparrett]

In the name of BROOKS as contact, lodgings were advertised at 47 New Street in the months before Joseph's death.
Attaching the "shorts" I don't have access to see more.
Sue

[BushInn1746]

Looking at the 1915 Birth Certificate (original post) and Reply 92 there seems to be more than one Joseph T Brooks - with a Father in the Royal Navy.

The above suggestion (originally made in Reply 92) relies on:-

1) Two of the addresses on the Naval Index Card must relate to the same Joseph Brooks * and also that the Chatham address No.47, does actually read as New Road?

* For example one address has not been entered on the wrong Index card.

2) The Place of Death on the 1922 Death Certificate we saw via the Dropbox link must remain the same after correction, as 47 New Road, Chatham.

3) Martha Brooks of 25 Balmes Road which came up by searching Location London in 1921 gave the correct information to the Census about her name and the Birthplace and age of her Son, Joseph T Brooks.

Added: There are two 1921 Census Schedules adjacent to each other, with this address using the image arrow.
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Navy Index Card
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61588/records/157209377?tid=&pid=&queryid=d8c30741-8687-4ebc-8cfa-f43a084adc83&_phsrc=Rnp636&_phstart=successSource

[sparrett]

Hi Bushinn,
Why does this information preclude him being the father of the child born in 1915 ?

Our original poster, Brad has identified this birth certificate as the correct one for the man who was his grandfather.  1915. Mother’s maiden name SAYLES.

Our search is for the father, listed on this certificate.

In my opinion, the man who died in 1922 is still a likely identity.
Sue

[bradwaterss]

Hi All,

I did manage to speak to Joseph Jnr's daughters (my grandmother) over the weekend and they said he wasn't a newborn baby when he was given up for adoption but more like 1 years old. He was an orphan, this is where he was adopted by Mrs Robinson - Wasn't a family friend according to them.

I very much doubt adoption records are online but i thought it might add some context.

Brad

[Neale1961]

Hi Bushinn, Can I suggest you re-read this thread. It is rather long, but you seem to have missed things along the way.

[sparrett]

Hi All,

I did manage to speak to Joseph Jnr's daughters (my grandmother) over the weekend and they said he wasn't a newborn baby when he was given up for adoption but more like 1 years old. He was an orphan, this is where he was adopted by Mrs Robinson - Wasn't a family friend according to them.

I very much doubt adoption records are online but i thought it might add some context.

Brad

No. There were no laws or regulations about adoption at that time . So you will not find records.

Bearing in mind that the story put about in the case of the relinquished child of a single mother was  often the term "orphaned" I think you must take the family story with a grain of salt.

Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that the Robinsons (Gertrude ROBINSON and husband) possibly adopted more than one child over a span of years.

Sue

[sparrett]

3) Martha Brooks of 25 Balmes Road which came up by searching Location London in 1921 gave the correct information to the Census about her name and the Birthplace and age of her Son, Joseph T Brooks.

Yes, There were two sons of the same father who were named Joseph Thomas BROOKS.

One mother  Martha HALL (1903)
The second mother Mabel Ethel SAYLES (1915)

Sue