Unfindable couple / Male was in Navy

[sparrett]

There is this possible, RN Stoker re-enlisted mentions Chatham

Name   Joseph Brooks
Gender   Male
Birth Date   27 Apr 1875
Birth Place   Bermondsey, London
First Service Date   10 Dec 1894
First Ship Served On   Vivid II
Last Service Date   28 Jan 1902
Last Ship Served On   Actaeon
Service Number   278653

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/598822:60522

He seems to already have a wife Martha Hall, married 1901 https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/2781332:1623

Family can be found in 1911

1919 he is living in Chatham, wife has a different address

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61588/records/157209377?tid=&pid=&queryid=d8c30741-8687-4ebc-8cfa-f43a084adc83&_phsrc=Rnp636&_phstart=successSource

Dies May 1922 on pension records

Possible
Deaths Jun Q 1922   
Brooks    Joseph    46    Medway 2a   863    

Only stoker with namesake that came up, so would keep on file or try rule out.

Cas

Looking further at this man.
I can see 2 baptisms for children of the couple Joseoh and Martha BROOKS.

1902
BROOKS Doris Florence Martha. Mother Martha. Father Joseph of 18 Cleveland Rd, Hackney. A Sailor.

1903 BROOKS. Joseph Thomas. Mother Martha. Father Joseph of 57 Gopsall Street, Hackney. A Furniture Dealer

In 1911 the group lives in Islington and there are 2 further children. Joseph is a shop assistant in Furniture.

What do we think?

Sue

[BushInn1746]

This may be known already to Bradwaterss, but I've tried coming forward in time.

Have you considered those present / witnesses at any Marriage of Joseph Thomas Brooks born 1915?

Deleted 1939 and 1921 information and sent a pm.

Added: I now note in Reply #19 you have considered those in the 1939 Register household.

[sparrett]

Hi

I suspect Brad has some knowledge of facts in more recent times.  Just going by his remarks in his reply#19.

I have been hesitant to post information contained on the 1921 census and the 1939 register because of copyright restraints and rootschat preferences.  (As I understand them!)
As well as considerations of privacy for those still living.

However, I can say that in 1921, living with the Robinson's, George (BROOKS) was under a different first name and used the surname ROBINSON.

I am happy to PM details if requested,, or leave it to others to publish information on this board.

Sue

[sparrett]

The presumptive father ( in my opinion anyway ) was living apart from his wife in the year before his death.
His occupation was Boiler Fireman Royal Navy ,Unable to work.

Sue

[bradwaterss]

Hi all ,

A lot to take in here , I think the furniture dealer link is rather interesting as he was in this line of work

So are you surmising that he had a wife and kids from another wife who then split up and had a child with another lady? And then he went on to die shortly after? 

[sparrett]

Hi Brad,
Yes, that is my speculation.

I cannot speak for others in the team, but on the basis of co-incidences of name and location shown through the documents we have explored, it is possible that Mabel SAYLES had relationship with Joseph BROOKS a married man who was possibly by then living apart from his wife, Martha (nee HALL).

He was in the Royal Navy until 1902 according to documents found by Cas and it appears he then moved into furniture sales of some description.

At the baptism of 2 of his children (with Martha) first Doris Martha Florence he was a sailor and by the baptism of John  Thomas, 1903, he was a furniture dealer

He was older than the possible mother of your grandfather, Mabel by 15 years or so. Furniture polishing was his occupation at the registration of the boy's birth.

There are details of his whereabouts etc in 1921, but he is not with his wife Martha, as mentioned. Cas has noted he died in 1922.

Albert and Gertrude ROBINSON lived next door to their adopted son, by then known as Joseph BROOKS at the end of the 1930's.

I can use the Personal Message system to let you know what is seen about him in 1921.
Perhaps tomorrow.

Sue

[bradwaterss]

Hi Brad,
Yes, that is my speculation.

I cannot speak for others in the team, but on the basis of co-incidences of name and location shown through the documents we have explored, it is possible that Mabel SAYLES had relationship with Joseph BROOKS a married man who was possibly by then living apart from his wife, Martha (nee HALL).

He was in the Royal Navy until 1902 according to documents found by Cas and it appears he then moved into furniture sales of some description.

At the baptism of 2 of his children (with Martha) first Doris Martha Florence he was a sailor and by the baptism of John  Thomas, 1903, he was a furniture dealer

He was older than the possible mother of your grandfather, Mabel by 15 years or so. Furniture polishing was his occupation at the registration of the boy's birth.

There are details of his whereabouts etc in 1921, but he is not with his wife Martha, as mentioned. Cas has noted he died in 1922.

Albert and Gertrude ROBINSON lived next door to their adopted son, by then known as Joseph BROOKS at the end of the 1930's.

I can use the Personal Message system to let you know what is seen about him in 1921.
Perhaps tomorrow.

Sue

Yes that would brilliant to hear from you in a personal message , this all sounds way too convenient for it to not be true and it’s opened my eyes into a new route to go down - appreciate all the help to get to this point.

I re spoke to my family and apparently he was called up to the military with his Brooks surname (he thought he was Robinson until this point) that’s when he found out , so he must not of legally had his name changed to Robinson.

He found out his parents address and went back when he was around 17/18 to find them but neighbours told him they had not lived there for a long time so he gave up his search

But if he died in 1922 when Joseph was 7 then he would not of been able to find him. I should also note he went by the nickname Jack

[heywood]

The 1921 census is free to search this weekend.
If I recall, the nickname Jack solves a little mystery.

[bradwaterss]

Hi,

It’s free to search on what website this weekend?