Unfindable couple / Male was in Navy

[Neale1961]

A great deal of conjecture going on here. Unwise, I think.
Is there evidence of a sister called Mabel Ethel?
Is there any evidence of any other marriage?
Is there any evidence their "son" was living with them in 1921, & dependent on his pension?

[heywood]

**I had composed this and ready to post when Neale posted and they overlap  somewhat with train of thought.

I think you need to look at Mary Elizabeth Sayles in records.
If she is the one who married Mr Harmer, her father was Edwin.

That family are at 1881 651 /56/31
Mary Elizabeth is born Westminster and they are living in Battersea.
There doesn’t seem to be a sister Mabel.

1921 Mary Elizabeth is born Clapham, which appears to be close to Battersea.

1911 gives details of several Harmer children - DNA might be useful here.

I might have missed this but are the notes on the death certificate not shown in full at all?

Whoever is the mother of the young Joseph Brooks does not seem to have any responsibility for him so you would think they would not be interested in claiming any pension on his behalf.

[heywood]

Just to add though, that it seems quite unusual/coincidental that Joseph’s mother is Sayles and the servant /possible partner of Joseph Brooks could also be Sayles - not a common name and may even have the same initials.

[bradwaterss]

Seems rather coincidental - not sure the next move other than DNa to try disprove this?

[BushInn1746]

I'm still struggling to find Mabel Ethel Sayles, the Mother, on the 1915 Birth Certificate?

[bradwaterss]

The birth certificate is at the beginning of this thread that shows her name on it

[bradwaterss]

Below is the picture

[BushInn1746]

I'm still struggling to find Mabel Ethel Sayles, the Mother, on the 1915 Birth Certificate?

Sorry, I meant to say the Birth / Baptism of Mabel Ethel Sayles.

[sparrett]

I'm still struggling to find Mabel Ethel Sayles, the Mother, on the 1915 Birth Certificate?

Sorry, I meant to say the Birth / Baptism of Mabel Ethel Sayles.

Hi.BushInn1746

SAYLES, MABEL Mother maiden surname  MYERS 
GRO Reference: 1889
D Quarter
in ECCLESALL BIERLOW
Volume 09C  Page 342

Please refer to the earlier part of this thread (Reply #14 on) where I have proposed a possible identity,

The second name Ethel is not used

Sue