Richard Foord and mother or wife?

[Jool]

I also thought there was something not quite right about the younger man's face, it looked too wide. If you look at his hair on the right side (as we look at it) his curls seem to have been chopped off in a very straight line as if his head was cropped from another image.

I can see similarities with the older man but his nose looks different. Do noses droop with age?

[David Boulding]

This is the original photo.

The Foords had very "powerful" faces. One of the daughters has a really strong face.

Pretty sure this is Richard Foord (partly due to the position in the album). But potentially it could be:-

Richard Foord 1814-1892 - m1842 Sarah Goland Easton [DRBB direct line]
Peter William Foord 1816 - married Ann Collins and was publican of Folkestone
Philip Foord 1817- 1891 Woolwich (unmarried)

Or do people think that this photo would be taken 1850ish or later and that this is not a photo of a person born circa 1814-1817?

To me it looks like Richard Foord

The nose different? The truth is that “Yes”, as we age, our nose and our ears do get bigger, but not because they are growing. The real reason is a common scientific force known as GRAVITY. You see, our nose and our ears are made of cartilage and while many people mistakenly believe that cartilage never stops growing, the fact is cartilage does stop growing. However, cartilage is made of collagen and other fibers that begin to break down as we age.

The result is drooping. So what appears to be growth is just gravity doing its job. Our noses and our earlobes sag and become larger.

[jim1]

A bit late to the party but I've been asked to stick in my two pennuth.
Photo date I believe early to mid 1860's.
Albumin prints like this arrived in 1858 but were not really in use until the 60's.
There was a certain amount getting used to the new process so you can see some
oddities in photos around this time.
I don't believe these are 2 photos brought together as one.
There's overlapping & underlapping of the 2 subjects which would be extremely difficult
to achieve in the 1860's.
You'll notice the lower part of her skirt is behind his right leg, a photographer wouldn't
bother with that.
I believe there been some oversketching done on her around the bodice.
I think you've arrived at the conclusion that these are not 2 people born 1786 & 1814.
She looks 50's/60's & he looks around 30 so a lady born around the turn of the century
& a man born around 1830.
This is just my take on this & others may not agree.

[David Boulding]

I'd agree that the photo looks early 1860s (relative to the other photos in the albums this looks earlier). IF this is Priscilla Foord (his mother or his brothers's mother) then 1864 was the year she died. She'd have to be between 72 and 78 yrs of age. Maybe? Not sure. Not so likely.

I look at the man and wonder his age... It's so hard to judge. IF it's Richard (or one of his brothers) then he'd be between 44 and 50. Is this possible? Maybe? I think maybe.

As these are Foord family albums I can't quite see who else these could be (looking at dates of available cousins etc). The man has the same lidded eyebrows as the old Richard. Same beard. Potentially one of his 2 brothers but there weren't many years between them.

I suppose we'll never know for sure. But that he's a Foord I am pretty certain. He has the look as well as being in their albums

I appreciate all the time and effort people have put into this

[David Nicoll]

David,

   No problem, we enjoy puzzles like this.

   Did Richard Foord 1814 have any sons?
   Born around 1840, this would make more sense to me, and would explain the family resemblance.
   I just don’t think his age fits with the generation before.
   His nose has not just drooped, I think it is very different, I think his face looks funny because we can’t see his ears because of his hairstyle and we are not used to that.

David.

[David Boulding]

Richard Foord b1814 Aldington - d1892 Aldington (son of Richard & Priscilla Foord, farmer)
Catherine Goland Easton b1819 Newington Sitt - d1895 Aldington (dau of David & Sarah Easton farrier)
Married Aldington 1842
1843 Jun 4 Sarah Goland d of Richard & Katherine Foord lbr - m1861 Charles Masters
1845 Feb 23 Elizabeth Priscilla d of Richard & Catherine Foord lbr - unmarried
1847 Dec 25 Hezekiah son of Richard & Catherine Foord lbr - m1870 Elizabeth Gates
1850 Jul 28 Ephraim son of Richard & Catherine Foord lbrm - d1855 child
1852 Aug 8 Olive Grace d of Richard & Catherine Foord lbr - m1882 David Boulden
1855 Dec 31 Wyndham Arron son of Richard & Catherine Foord lbr - m1880 Mahala Collett
1857 May 31 Agnes Ann d of Richard & Catherine Foord lbr - m1852 Jesse Boulding
1859 Oct 13 Arthur Ernest son of Richard & Catherine Foord lbr - d1862 child
1862 Jun 22 Albert Henshaw son of Richard & Catherine Foord lbr - m1886 Florence Finn - m1897 Rosa Wood
1892 Jan 21 Richard Foord aged 77 Hayter House Aldington
1895 Mar 23 Catherine Foord aged 76 of Bonnington

Most of Richard's children are very well documented photographically. I have numerous photos of all of them. The mystery people in the photograph in question are in a photo much older than the offspring.

[David Boulding]

I have LOTS of well documented photos of ALL the offspring (except Ephraim who died a child in 1855). The old man and his mother is DEFINITELY a generation back from their photos.

Whether it's Richard Foord (1814-1892) or not is still open for debate.

[David Nicoll]

David,

   Hum, I see your conundrum. In the original I can perhaps see a very young looking older man, but struggle to see anyone as old as 40-45, unless his name is Dorian Gray!
   I also have a large number of Cartes de Visite, but am fortunate in that my great grandfather labelled a lot of them. There are ones with mothers cousin and the like so without that it may be very difficult.
  I think the only certain thing I would say is it is not the same face as the older man.
  Certainly similar hair, so perhaps family.

Happy Hunting

David

[sparrett]

Just some thoughts here.

The pose  of the two people is quite intimate and in those times probably reserved for people of very close relationship such as mother and son.  Not like modern times at all.

I dont know if it has been mentioned but the 1861 census shows Priscilla FOORD, a widow  is living with her son Richard, his wife Catherine  and their 6 children whose ages range from 16  to 1 year.

Richard's birth year is given as 1816, so he is 45. He is an agricultural labourer.

To me this is somewhat supportive of the notion they are mother and son in the photo
He is obviously "taking care" of her and supporting her in her old age and this warm relationship is to be acknowledged by having the photograph together done.

I woner if others of the family had theirs doneon the same day?

Sue