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Able Seaman John Jones, died at Holywell, 1902
« on: Monday 21 October 24 19:31 BST (UK) »
I came across this mention of his death, and a poem to commemorate him, both of which appeared in several newspapers towards the end of August 1902. He'd served on H.M.S. Powerful during the Boer War in South Africa, and seems to have been part of the naval brigade that helped to relieve Ladysmith, but, other than saying that he died in Holywell, the report has no more information, not even the date of death, which was may have been in July or August.

Can anyone add anything to this, please? I'm no relation to him, just saddened that he's been completely forgotten.

JOHN JONES.

      [John Jones, A.B., one of the men who served the 4.7 guns of his Majesty's ship Powerful during the siege of Ladysmith, has died at Holywell. Paralysis followed the reaction of the relief, and Jones was invalided home on a small pension that was secured with difficulty.]

There's nought romantic in the name—John Jones,
It sounds prosaic, flat and tame—John Jones.
Beside your Percys, Drummonds, Lacys,
Maguires, Macdonalds, Duffs and Tracys,
It wears the plainest of all faces—John Jones.

He got to Ladysmith in time—John Jones;
Took part in that defence sublime—John Jones;
One of the "Powerful's" thunderers he
Served with dogged ability,
Helping the gallant town to free—John Jones.

He paid for glory with his life—John Jones;
Best is his portion instead of strife—John Jones;
Far in the wilds of his native Wales
There he'll sleep in one of the dales
Till the great Trump the air assails—John Jones.

There's many like him, you take my word—John Jones,
Their names perhaps are not often heard—John Jones;
They haven't the chance to man a gun,
But they toil from morn to the set of sun,
And 'tis honest sweat when the day is done—John Jones.

Deeds of daring below the ground—John Jones,
Deeds with immortal glory crowned—John Jones;
When dawns at length the last great Day
And prouder names have fallen away,
"Well done," an awful Voice will say, "John Jones!"
......Western Mail."
...........................................................IDRIS.

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Re: Able Seaman John Jones, died at Holywell, 1902
« Reply #1 on: Monday 21 October 24 20:00 BST (UK) »
Could be this death

Sept qtr 1902 Holywell 11b 149  - John Jones aged 30

Only 2 other deaths in that qtr - aged 2 & aged 60

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You can download a digital copy of his death cert for £3

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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Re: Able Seaman John Jones, died at Holywell, 1902
« Reply #2 on: Monday 21 October 24 20:05 BST (UK) »
There are only 3 deaths in the North Wales BMD for John Jones in the sub-district of Holywell see below
                      North Wales Death indexes for the years: 1902
Surname   Forename(s)   Age   Year      Sub-District   Registers At   Reference   
JONES   John                    -   1902   Holywell   Flintshire (Mold)   HOL/35/74   
JONES   John                    -   1902   Holywell   Flintshire (Mold)   HOL/35/89   
JONES   John                    -   1902   Holywell   Flintshire (Mold)   HOL/35/91   

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Re: Able Seaman John Jones, died at Holywell, 1902
« Reply #3 on: Monday 21 October 24 20:10 BST (UK) »
Freebmd shows the ages which helps with elimination on age. 

It also shows the quarter in which the death was registered which appears to be Sept 1902 if the above article appeared late August 1902
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Re: Able Seaman John Jones, died at Holywell, 1902
« Reply #4 on: Monday 21 October 24 20:16 BST (UK) »
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3176215/3176222/33/john%2BOR%2Bjones

Says he was buried a few days ago and spared a paupers coffin and parish grave through the sacrifices of his sister.

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Re: Able Seaman John Jones, died at Holywell, 1902
« Reply #5 on: Monday 21 October 24 21:13 BST (UK) »
Parish Church Holywell
John Jones, bur Aug 18th, residence Bryncelyn, age 30
The FindMyPast trancript shows "Bagillt"

Possibility?

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Re: Able Seaman John Jones, died at Holywell, 1902
« Reply #6 on: Monday 21 October 24 21:40 BST (UK) »
See replies 1 & 3
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Re: Able Seaman John Jones, died at Holywell, 1902
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 October 24 12:05 BST (UK) »
See replies 1 & 3

Had noted 1 & 3 but whenever dealing with a Jones, and particularly a John Jones, never comfortable submitting info. unless qualifying with "?"!
The medal roll for HMS Powerful lists a J. Jones, Able Seaman, being awarded the Queen's South Africa Medal " ... sent to sister Mrs Williams 21 Jun ...". 

Also was sad to note in newspapers " ... developed muscular rheumatism until he could not move", " ... invalided home on a small pension that was secured with difficulty ..."

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Re: Able Seaman John Jones, died at Holywell, 1902
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 October 24 19:15 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your responses. I shall get a copy of his death certificate, then at least I'll have the definite date of his death, also whether he died in hospital or at home.

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3176215/3176222/33/john%2BOR%2Bjones

Says he was buried a few days ago and spared a paupers coffin and parish grave through the sacrifices of his sister.

Thank you for the translation.

Parish Church Holywell
John Jones, bur Aug 18th, residence Bryncelyn, age 30
The FindMyPast trancript shows "Bagillt"

Possibility?

Thanks very much, I'll have a search in the 1901 census for him in Bagillt.