JOHN CHARLES and MARGARET CADENHEAD

[Neale1961]

   What I may need to find is a death certificate for this Alexander Charles who died in 1853, if one exists of course. 

1853 is before civil registration in Scotland, so death certificate will not exist.

I think this is probably the record that was referred to by David ....

Nellfield Cemetery: Lair Register
Lair 1082

Alex Charles 7 Dec 1853   Age 76

[haney]

Hi Neale 1961
  Thank you!  I should have remembered that re civil registration.  Such a shame I may have been able to eliminate him.  He should still have been on two census! 1841 and 1851.

Perhaps is Gavock was mentioned as his birth place on the 1851! That would be something I guess.

Grateful for the help.  Kindest regards Dianna

[David Nicoll]

Neale1961,

    Thanks, I had not got that far. I wondered if it was something like that given it gave burial date.

@Haney, not necessarily “The Clearences” a lot of people left for a better life, the Scottish population increased fairly rapidly at this time and there was more opportunity overseas.

The are also unindexed and very badly misindexed records on SP. It may be worth having a trawl.
SP found one for me that was on Ancestry, but Fletcher had been turned in to a Germanic name somehow in SP. I don’t think I would ever have found it!
Being fixed now!

[ColC]

This looks likely to be the Alexander who died in 1853, no record on SP 1851 – 1861, might be worth contacting SP to check if necessary.

Marriage.
ALEXANDER CHARLES to ISABELLA FINDLAY 5/02/1831 Aberdeen.

1851 Hutcheon Street,  West Parish,  Aberdeen
Alexander CHARLES Head 71 Mason born Aberdeen
Isabella CHARLES Wife 65 Aberdeen

1861 Hutcheon Street,  West Parish,  Aberdeen
Ann PIRIE Head W 81 Aberdeen - 1 room

Isaballa CHARLES W 75 Aberdeen

The nearest baptism in Scotland to the age at burial in 1853 and 1851 census is Alexander at Garvock.

Colin

[ColC]

1851 Mill Of Garvock, Kincardineshire
Michael FARRELL Head M 36 Sheep farm Factor For Proptrix England
385 Arable Acres 300 Waste Employs 12 Men
He is there with his wife and two servants. See the 1881 census in Garvock,
still in the area but not the Mill.

Valuation Rolls on SP 1855-1940 - 
Location: Davo Mains; Garvock; KINCARDINESHIRE.

MRS FARRELL Proprietor FARM MILL OF GARVOCK LANDS OF DAVO GARVOCK 1855

MICHAEL FARRELL ESQUIRE Proprietor
FARM OF MILL OF GARVOCK LANDS OF DAVO GARVOCK 1865/1875/1876

JAMES ROBERTSON Tenant/Occupier FARM OF MILL OF GARVOCK LANDS OF DAVO
GARVOCK 1865/1875/1876

Still listed on the Valuation Rolls until the last Roll in 1940. More information to the present time on Google.

Colin

[haney]

Hi Col
    Thanks very much for the information on Mill of Garvock also for the Alexander Charles who it seems was actually born in Aberdeen!  So most probably not mine.

Some where down the track I will do some more research on the family of course as suggested previously a lot of them may have emigrated as my Alexander Charles did in 1854.

Coincidentally he was a Stonemason as was the Alexander you discovered in Aberdeen.

Anyway the search will continue and many thanks for your time.  Kindest regards Dianna

[David Nicoll]

Dianna,

     A couple of things to bear in mind.
     Place of birth may not be place of baptism.
     At Mill of Garvock suggest he was working there, they could have moved, you have to be a bit flexible some times.
     I use Ancestry quite a lot to do suggestions and then fact check, you could use any of the sites in a similar way. I have found quite a lot of people in places I would not expect, Minister from near Carlisle, England getting married in Dundee, Scotland. But it was definitely him, was recorded as such.
   Have you tried building a tree back from them? There seem to be a few Charles families in Garvock, you might find Alexander that way.
   Also John’s father should be an Alexander, and there is an Alexander baptized in Garvock at about the right time?
  Or John to Alexander in Insch.
  It can bc a case of building a lot of mini trees!

[haney]

Hi David
    Thanks for that!  It is complicated research as the records just don't have enough information unfortunatley unless your lucky enough to find family with the old bible records, I could only hope.

You are right when you say that the family could come from other areas other than Mill of Garvock, be born one place baptised another.

I have print outs for all of the GARVOCK Charles'.  More than likely there is a connection but too hard to tell.  If I use the naming system as you have suggested I do see an Alexander CHARLES b 1744 in Garvock son of GEORGE CHARLES/JEAN SADLER.  Possible I guess

The only one I know for sure is the JOHN CHARLES b 30/01/1770. He was the minister in Garvock.  Son of John Charles and Christina JAMIE. 

The other is possibly the JOHN CHARLES b 1755 in Garvock to WILLIAM CHARLES and Ann CRAIK? and a JAMES CHARLES b 1750 to same parents (brothers).


Again only speculation and I would have to check in other area's as well.  Seems to be a very difficult task.  If the family had of done something note worthy/bad or other there may have been mention of them.  LOL

I have all of the available BDM'S for Garvock as I was trying to put them in groups.  I'm just sorting all of the CHARLES documents at the moment to see where I can go from here.

Many thanks Regards Dianna

[haney]

Hi again David
   I'm just looking at my James CHARLES baptismal record 6 December 1789 at Mill of Garvock and I found two more children also baptised at the same place.
1) May 13th 1790 Elizabeth Fettes daughter to George and Elizabeth Shepherd
2) June 25th 1790 David Milne son of John Miln Farmer in? Mill of Garvock and Ann Pirie

So a few families perhaps employed by the owners of Mill or Garvock.


I did have in my records!!! a snippet re the owner I think Of Mill of Garvock re him paying tax could have been carriage/horse tax something like that.  I will have to find that again

And of course there are the Mort Cloths that aren't included on Scotland's people as being searchable are they???  I have found Mort cloths and NO death registered/entered anywhere.  Regards Dianna