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Re: English and Elizabeth Tiffen
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 20 October 24 04:14 BST (UK) »
They are also in Hazleigh 1861  (ancestry)
James Ranson 62 born Cockfield Suffolk, farmer of 360 acres employs 10 men and 5 boys
Elizabeth 59 born Bulmer Essex
Albert Hurrell 7 grandson

1851 transcribed as Ransom.

1871 same place Jenkins Farm Hazleigh transcribed as Ramson
James 73, Elizabeth 70

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1841 Spital Road, Maldon  - Ages were rounded in 1841.
James Ranson 35 Farmer not born in County
Elizabeth 35 born in County
Elizabeth 15 born in County
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Elizabeth Ranson married Charles Hurrell 1849 registered Maldon

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Re: English and Elizabeth Tiffen
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 20 October 24 04:24 BST (UK) »
James Ranson died 14 September 1872 Probate was 25 October 1872.
Executors were Elizabeth Ranson widow, the relic of William Bird of Layer Bretton Hall of said county farmer (is this sister Sarah?) and Charles Hurrell of Maldon Farmer.

Ref: FindMyPast Probate Index

It would be worth it to get a copy especially if it names his children.

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Re: English and Elizabeth Tiffen
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 20 October 24 04:57 BST (UK) »
Essex Weekly News 27 September 1872
September 14th at Jenkins Farm near Maldon Mr. Ranson aged about 77 years.

Chelmsford Chronicle 20 September 1872 has a more in depth coverage he died at 6 am. and had been ill for some time.

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Re: English and Elizabeth Tiffen
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 20 October 24 10:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Amondig,
you certainly have been busy  :o.
So James English dies in 1806, a few years after daughter Sarah is born 1803 in Sudbury, so the move to Bulmer happens sometime in between leaving widowed Elizabeth to raise the girls alone. (Maybe Mary c1805 is born at Bulmer?)
Elizabeth is still Mrs. Tiffen when she dies in 1849 Bulmer, so no remarriage. I don't seem to be able to find her in the 1841 census. Will give that a bash later  ;D
Thank you again for your help in this  ;D

 
Sudbury Suffolk, Bocking/Braintree Essex, Hendon/Bethnal green Middx.


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Re: English and Elizabeth Tiffen
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 20 October 24 23:11 BST (UK) »
1841 Census of Bulmer might be easier to find under William Bird age 30, Sarah 35, Laura 2 Ellen 1,
Elizabeth Tiffin (sp) age 70 born circa 1771

Remember ages were rounded for 1841

FindMyPast has the address Bulmer, Sudbury Essex (not Suffolk)


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Re: English and Elizabeth Tiffen
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 22 October 24 23:29 BST (UK) »
The Quaker Meeting House is still in Friar Street, Sudbury.
Every time I find an ancestor,
I have to find two more!

SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham - all link to  Framlingham 
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally Framlingham/Parham)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert & Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith LDN - Fulker
LDN/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
 
GGfather Michael Wilson born Cork, lived Fulham London - moved to Boston USA 1889, what happened next?

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Re: English and Elizabeth Tiffen
« Reply #15 on: Friday 25 October 24 13:58 BST (UK) »
The Quaker Meeting House is still in Friar Street, Sudbury.
Adding it to my ' places to visit' list for my next trip back over to England  ;D
Sudbury Suffolk, Bocking/Braintree Essex, Hendon/Bethnal green Middx.

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Re: English and Elizabeth Tiffen
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 30 October 24 13:36 GMT (UK) »
Petey

Quakers (members of the Society of Friends) were not the only Nonconformists to use meeting houses. The National Archives catalogue classifies Quaker records of births, marriages and deaths under RG 6 and other dissenters' registers under RG 4.

As you found, Elizabeth Tiffen's birth is registered in RG 4/1861, "Sudbury, Great Meeting, Friar Street, and Little or Lower Meeting, Suffolk, Denomination: Independent: Births and Baptisms" (1707-1837).

The Independents (also known as Congregationalists) are distinguished from the Friends (Quakers) in a brief history of Sudbury on page 574 of White's 1844 Suffolk directory:

"Here are two Independent Chapels, one built in 1839, and the other erected in 1822, in lieu of the old Presbyterian Meeting-house, which was built about 1710, by a congregation formed in 1662. The latter has an endowment for the minister and the support of a school. Here is also an old Friends' Meeting-house, and a Baptist Chapel, erected in 1834."

GENUKI's church history for the Congregational Chapel in Friars Street, Sudbury, states:

"It was founded in 1631. Presbyterian Meeting-house built here about 1710. New one erected before 1800 (Rel[igious] Census 1851). Rebuilt in 1822. Closed by 1966. New building on site."

Friars House, on the site of the demolished chapel in Friars Street, has been marked with a blue plaque by Sudbury Freemen's Trust  (see also Sudbury Freemen's Society: "The Gainsborough family vault").

The later Independent chapel, founded in 1839, was Trinity Chapel (now Christ Church URC - United Reformed Church) in School Street or School Lane, according to GENUKI.

David