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Re: Service Record
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 30 October 24 11:00 GMT (UK) »
Going back or not wouldn't have been his choice.
Once he attested he would have been in for the duration of the war.
He would have to have been injured or sick in order to get a discharge.
Had he done so he would have been awarded the Silver War Badge
which he doesn't have.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 30 October 24 14:00 GMT (UK) »
He very definitely served overseas in a theatre of war, as he wouldn't have been entitled to the British War and Victory medals otherwise. Interestingly, there is a notation on his medal index card that shows that either the medals were never delivered and they were returned, or that there must have been an error on the original medals that he was sent and they were returned to be corrected and reissued. This is indicated by the notation "Retd (1743 K.R. 1912) 8100/Adt" on the card. The key is the last part of the notation, if this was Adjt instead of Adt, it would mean that the medals were returned to be corrected and reissued, in this case however, I think the implication is that they were never delivered and were instead returned for disposal.

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« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 30 October 24 16:07 GMT (UK) »
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I think the implication is that they were never delivered and were instead returned for disposal.
This is correct.
Had they been returned (for correction) there would have been a return voucher (RV) number & a return date.
It wasn't that uncommon for medals to be refused.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 30 October 24 18:04 GMT (UK) »
Good Evening,

Thank you for the further information.  I do still wonder where the story of the horses fits into all of this.

On looking into Frederick I notice that his second name Francis is not mentioned at all on his Christening on the 16th April, 1893 or on the census returns for 1901, 1911 and 1921.  His middle name Francis is recorded on the National School Admission Register for Stafford Grammar School and on his marriage to Daisy May.  It seems quite possible therefore that he might not have used his middle name when joining the military.  He was born in Seighford Staffordshire.

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Re: Service Record
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 30 October 24 18:18 GMT (UK) »
On his Medal Roll his rank is Gunner meaning he was responsible
for loading & firing the big guns.
Another rank is Driver & these men drove the horse teams pulling the guns.
There were 6 horses per team.
It was these men who were responsible for caring for the horses.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Service Record
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 30 October 24 18:44 GMT (UK) »
Good Evening,

Thank you for the further information.  I do still wonder where the story of the horses fits into all of this.

On looking into Frederick I notice that his second name Francis is not mentioned at all on his Christening on the 16th April, 1893 or on the census returns for 1901, 1911 and 1921.  His middle name Francis is recorded on the National School Admission Register for Stafford Grammar School and on his marriage to Daisy May.  It seems quite possible therefore that he might not have used his middle name when joining the military.  He was born in Seighford Staffordshire.

Cathy



If he was Catholic he probably took on the Name Francis as his Second Christian Name
at his Catholic Confirmation Ceremony usually around age 12
My Wife only used hers fron that Age at School then Marriage Records and Census Records since that Age
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« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 30 October 24 19:26 GMT (UK) »
You can find out more about the role of the Royal Artillery on this page at the Long Long Trail, but the branch that Frederick was in, the Royal Garrison Artillery, were responsible for the large calibre guns and howitzers that were positioned someway behind the lines and used to lay down artillery barrages in advance of major attacks and the like. Although the movement of these guns became increasingly mechanized as the war progressed, there would have still been a need for large teams of horses to move the guns when required.

http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-royal-artillery-in-the-first-world-war/

A key part of the war was also these batteries seeking out the other sides' batteries and shelling them to destruction, so I could easily see a scenario where his battery was shelled, with both human and animal casualties.

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« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 30 October 24 20:08 GMT (UK) »
Frederick was born 13  March 1893 Registered June Quarter 1893 Stafford Volume 6b page 5 Mother's Maiden Name = Minshuel


He was One of Elevan Children born to Farmer Frank Parrott and Mary Elizabeth Minshull who married in July 1876
Mary Died 1905 and Frank Remarried 1907 Eliza ?
Frederick in 1911 lived with his Brother Joseph on the Farm

He married Daisy Heywood in 1916 and had 5 Children from 1920 - Daughter Daisy in 1930 was also named Frances
Frederick Died 15 May 1955 in Dunston aged 62

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