Buchan obvserver 1949

[Forfarian]

Noting that Thomas Sutherland and Jane Reid were married in 1891, could James b c 1887 be a child of an earlier marriage, and if so whose is he - Thomas' or Jane's? Does the 1891 marriage record say if Thomas senior was widowed? And if so does his death certificate give the name of his first wife?

[jessienicolson]

Jane and Thomas Snr did mrry in 1891, no mention of him being a widower. And they had  son Thos Sutherland in 1891.
Jane Reid from Alford, had several illegitimate children before she married, one being my grandmother born iun 1894.  There seem to be small gaps in between each child, so as James was born approx 1887, it is possible that he is the child of Jane and Thomas.
Thomas probably moved back to the Glasgow area, as he was a marine engineer and she probably followed him.  I am only guessisng this of course.
Afteer Glasgow they moved back to Aberdeen where Jane died in 1906 and Thomas and Thos Jnr, and maybe James moved up to Peterhead, in 1906 and he remarried in 1906.
I had a peep at the 1921 England and it looks as if he is in Grimsby then.

[rosie17]

So is that not the family at Wales Street in 1901?

You said your Grandmother was born illegitimate 1894
Jane Reid married Thomas Sutherland 1891 Glasgow had they separated ?

Rosie

[jessienicolson]

Sorry, my grandmother was born 1884.  All of the illegitimate children of Jane Reid,were not brought up by her.  My grandmother was brought up by another family in Aberdeen where she was born.  What is interesting during my family history re Janes family, and meeting people with photographs of the Reid family, there was not even one photo of Jane.
She appears to have lied about her age, making herself several years younger than she really was.
What a woman.

[rosie17]

Yes I can see she has made herself a lot younger I can see from a tree with certificates from S P she was born 1852 Alford
And from her marriage she is aged 31 I notice occupation for Thomas Sutherland ( groom)

Rosie

[Millmoor]

The address shown on the marriage cert. is 396 Parliamentary Road, St Rollox, Glasgow.

In the 1891 census transcripts show a  married Jane Sutherland age 32 b Aberdeen at this address. Her occupation is given as sausage maker. You would need to look at the original on SP to confirm if anyone else was in the household - the transcripts have her as head and  on her own.( The ref is 644/6 1/ 10 St Rollox RD).

William

[Forfarian]

So James could be another illegitimate child of Jane Reid, then?

There are 15 James Reids born in Glasgow 1886-1888, two with mother's maiden surname Reid, the rest with no mother's maiden surname. See screenshot.

There are also two James Sutherlands with no mother's maiden surname. I did compare the two lists and there are no matches, so it's not a case of James being registered as an illegitimate son of Thomas S and Jane Reid.

[rosie17]

And Thomas Sutherland is still at 396 Parliamentary Road Glasgow 1892 electoral rolls Occupation Storeman

Rosie

[jessienicolson]

Thank you for the info of the 1892 electoral roll.
I have never been able to establish if James Sutherland survived the first world war.  His brother died in a hospital in England from what I think may have been the flu epedemic of 1920.  He had served during the war on HMS Thalia.