Any tips for unlocking a dead end?

[heywood]

Well done - super finds.     

[heywood]

Baptism 10th November 1872 - birth 1st Nov 1872
St Michael’s Liverpool
George Saunders , son of James and Eliza Saunders nee Higgins
Godparents Thomas Feeney and Elizabeth McGlynn

(Transcribed as ‘Riggins’ on Anc.)

[softly softly]

Further research required folks, I have to go out but pretty sure this is George's brother and mother 

1921 address 71, Solway Street, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England (Eliza Saunderson b 1849)
1911 address 71 Solway St Liverpool, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England (William Saunderson)
1901 address 73, Solway Street, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England (William Saunderson)

SS

added

Deaths Dec 1932   
Saunderson    Elizabeth    aged 83    Liverpool    8b   193  (= 1849)

sorry info previously found

[heywood]

Those are the ones that have been found, SS, so it looks as though we are getting closer.
His 1891 army record mentioned mother and brother in Norwich apparently. Not found yet though.

[softly softly]

Those are the ones that have been found, SS, so it looks as though we are getting closer.
His 1891 army record mentioned mother and brother in Norwich apparently. Not found yet though.

Must have missed that in previous posts

SS

[heywood]

Oh I just thought you were emphasising them, sorry   

[BushInn1746]

Hello

I am posting here again as last time you wonderful people helped me unlock some information about an ancestor - I would never have found it otherwise.

I am trying to find parentage of my 3xGrandfather. George Saunderson, born circa 1872 - I thought Liverpool but nothing is coming up at all. He married 3 times:

Elizabeth Ewanson (born Liverpool 1881, married 1899)

Eliza Ann Wise / Dainton (born Crewe, Cheshire 1874, married 1904)

Lillian May Woolfe (my 3 x Grandmother, born 1895, Sevenoaks, married 1915)

I have checked the first 2 x marriage certificates - both named William Saunderson as Father. The 2nd marriage certificate had Eliza Saunderson as a witness, so I wondered if that could be his Mother.

However, I have searched and searched and nothing makes sense.

Please can anyone offer any tips on how I could find out more?

Many thanks

Vicki

Is this the first marriage? Father is named as James a soldier

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/2125627:2197

Name   George Saunderson
Marriage Age   27
Birth Year   abt 1872
Marriage Date   8 Oct 1899
Marriage Place   Liverpool, St Philip, Lancashire, England
Father   James Saunderson
Spouse   Elizabeth Florence Ewanson

Cas

One of the witnesses to the 1899 marriage was William Rose Saunderson

Adding these births to the mix

HIGGINS, GEORGE  SAUNDERSON     
Mother's Maiden Surname:  — 
GRO Reference: 1872  D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 405

ROSE, WILLIAM  SAUNDERSON     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HIGGINS 
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 202

A baptism indexed for Guilelmus Rose born 1881 at Liverpool, Our Lady of Mount Carmel in 1882
Parents Gulielmi + Elisabeth nee Higgins? (I don't have access to it)

SS

HIGGINS, GEORGE  SAUNDERSON     
Mother's Maiden Surname:  — 
GRO Reference: 1872  D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 405

Possibly found him in 1881 as a visitor to the Byrne Family 43 Mozart St, Toxteth.  No Parents & enumerated as George H Sanderson age 8 b Liverpool

Thats George in 1881, note address on brothers birth registration.

SS

William Rose Saunderson turned up as a Marriage witness in 1899, see Ancestry link (quote above & 1st Attachment).

Birth Attachment in Softly Softly reply mention William Rose as the Father of William Saunderson.

Added:
Interesting, that the Mother the Informant, Eliza Rose, gives her address as 43 Mozart Street, Toxteth Park (see quote above, noted by SS)

Could Saunderson and surname Rose be an aka, e.g., Rose also known as (aka) Saunderson?

[Vickihuk]

Apologies for the late reply everyone, I’ve not had chance to look at everyone’s replies for the past couple of days.

Thank you all so much for the research and the clues - I really appreciate it.

Quite a lot of info to go through here and piece together - so think I will have an interesting weekend!

I look forward to sharing more info with you soon, and thanks once again

[Vickihuk]

I have viewed the birth registrations for both George and William.

George Saunderson
HIGGINS
1st Nov 1872
(Looks like) Aygeia Street, Everton
No father named
Mother - mark of Eliza Higgins


William Saunderson
ROSE
7th Dec 1881
43 Mozart St, Liverpool
Father: William Rose - Butcher
Mother: Mark of Eliza Rose, formerly Higgins

So my feeling was correct - the brothers
Were not born Saunderson - that was their given name but clearly they adopted it is a surname, but why??? And, indeed they were only half brothers.

This is where my head is going… Eliza had George with (James) Saunderson but couldn’t name him as the father as they weren’t married. She married James Saunderson later, hence Eliza/Elizabeth Saunderson. James died and she went on to marry William Rose, and had son William. To keep the same name for the brothers, they also gave him Saunderson as a middle name. The weird thing is though - why would William go on to call himself Saunderson even though his fathers name was Rose?!

The plot thickens….