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Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 08 October 24 18:51 BST (UK) »
Yes thank you - I know about all the children and his later life. It’s the earlier part of his life I am struggling with - making it difficult to go further up the family tree 😀

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Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 08 October 24 21:40 BST (UK) »
Also another daughter

SAUNDERSON, ELVINA  WINIFRED     mmn EWANSON 
GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 610

Can be found at Wavertree in 1911 as niece to Plaiston family. Jane Ewanson also with family.

1911 https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/23663388%3A2352

RC baptism (1 Balm Street)
Helaina Winefred Saunderson
Age   0
Birth Date   24 Nov 1901
Baptism Date   11 Dec 1901
Baptism Place   Kensington, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Father   George Saunderson, lab
Mother   Elizabeth Saunderson

Added: George a Soldier on her marriage in 1927 to Ernest Jump. Image online.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/93123961%3A2197

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Hi

I am going to throw this in the mix.

It seems the Mother in Law has gained 10 years by 1911?

1911
Louisa Plaistow, Wife, married, 35, born Liverpool.
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Jane Ewanson, Mother-in-Law, 68, Widow, Lerwick, Shetland Isle.
Elvina Winifred Saunderson, Neice, 9, Lancs, Liverpool.

There is a Ewanson family (Snr) look to be born in the Shetland Islands and there is a child called Elvina, too.

1881
Arthur Ewanson, Head, Mar, 45, Shetland Islands.
Jane Ewanson, Wife, Mar, 29, Shetland Islands.
Elvina Ewanson, 7, Liverpool.
Louisa Ewanson, 4, Liverpool.
Christiana Ewanson, 2, Liverpool.

My initial thought might be wrong and you may have considered Shetland or Scotland connection already?

Perhaps Elizabeth Ewanson / Saunderson was visiting in Scotland when the Census was taken? Not in E & W.

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1891 Army Record - Perhaps the N of K Elisabeth and Brother William, were on a Scottish jolly when the Census was taken?

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Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 08 October 24 21:45 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth Florence Saunderson died in 1903 and George married in 1904.
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Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 08 October 24 21:57 BST (UK) »
Can be found at Wavertree in 1911 as niece to Plaiston family. Jane Ewanson also with family.

Original image shows the surname as PLAISTOW.

RC baptism (1 Balm Street)
Helaina Winefred Saunderson
Age   0
Birth Date   24 Nov 1901
Baptism Date   11 Dec 1901
Baptism Place   Kensington, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Father   George Saunderson, lab
Mother   Elizabeth Saunderson

Original image shows the first name as Elvina.

Debra  :)


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Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 08 October 24 22:03 BST (UK) »
Can be found at Wavertree in 1911 as niece to Plaiston family. Jane Ewanson also with family.

Original image shows the surname as PLAISTOW.

RC baptism (1 Balm Street)
Helaina Winefred Saunderson
Age   0
Birth Date   24 Nov 1901
Baptism Date   11 Dec 1901
Baptism Place   Kensington, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Father   George Saunderson, lab
Mother   Elizabeth Saunderson

Original image shows the first name as Elvina.

Debra  :)

Debra, I wonder if that is a Catholic tradition adding a H and/or variation?

I came across it the other day with the Mother's surname Ansell (Catholic Baptism), it drove me crackers, until the penny dropped. The Mother M.S. was Hansell.

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Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 08 October 24 22:06 BST (UK) »
Also another daughter

SAUNDERSON, ELVINA  WINIFRED     mmn EWANSON 
GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 610

Can be found at Wavertree in 1911 as niece to Plaiston family. Jane Ewanson also with family.

1911 https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/23663388%3A2352

RC baptism (1 Balm Street)
Helaina Winefred Saunderson
Age   0
Birth Date   24 Nov 1901
Baptism Date   11 Dec 1901
Baptism Place   Kensington, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Father   George Saunderson, lab
Mother   Elizabeth Saunderson

Added: George a Soldier on her marriage in 1927 to Ernest Jump. Image online.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/93123961%3A2197

Cas

Hi

I am going to throw this in the mix.

1911
Louisa Plaistow, Wife, married, 35, born Liverpool.
 ...
Jane Ewanson, Mother-in-Law, 68, Widow, Lerwick, Shetland, Isle.
Elvina Winifred Saunderson, Neice, 9, Lancs, Liverpool.

There is a Ewanson family (Snr) look to be born in the Shetland Islands and there is a child called Elvina, too.

1881
Arthur Ewanson, Head, Mar, 45, Shetland Islands.
Jane Ewanson, Wife, Mar, 29, Shetland Islands.
Elvina Ewanson, 7, Liverpool.
Louisa Ewanson, 4, Liverpool.
Christiana Ewanson, 2, Liverpool.

My initial thought might be wrong and you may have considered Shetland or Scotland connection already?

Perhaps Elizabeth Ewanson / Saunderson was visiting in Scotland when the Census was taken? Not in E & W.

Added:
1891 Army Record - Perhaps the N of K Elisabeth and Brother William, were on a Scottish jolly when the Census was taken?

I know the story here  :)

Elizabeth Ewanson was George Saunderson’s first wife. They had 3 x children - unfortunately, 2 of them died and Elizabeth died very soon after Louisa, circa 1904. Elvina went to live with her Aunt Plaistow.

George then went onto marry Eliza very soon after, but she died of tuberculosis.

Very soon after, he remarried Lillian Woolfe and they went on to have children - one of them being my Great Grandfather George Leslie. There is a family story that the younger siblings were told to cross the road when they saw the older siblings - how terrible is that? You can just imagine the family dramas though can’t you!  ;D

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Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 09 October 24 02:48 BST (UK) »
I'm wondering about the 72 y/o Eliza Saunderson who in 1921 is living at 71 Solway Street, West Derby/Toxteth Park with her nephew Jeremiah Connor aged 42 born Liverpool, plus Jeremiah's sister Annie (Hughes) and family.  Could this be George's mother?

In 1921 George Saunderson & family are at Maynard Street, West Derby/Toxteth Park, which is just a few streets away.

https://historic-liverpool.co.uk/old-streets-liverpool/#15/53.4000/-2.9800

In 1901 Jeremiah Connor is living with his mother and siblings at 73 Solway Street, and visiting them is William Saunderson aged 20, Sheet Metal Worker born Liverpool.

William is also with them in 1911, aged 30 and still single.
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 09 October 24 03:06 BST (UK) »

Debra, I wonder if that is a Catholic tradition adding a H and/or variation?


No, they started to write H, crossed it out  and wrote Elvina.

Debra  :)

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Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 09 October 24 07:12 BST (UK) »
Added: I don't think this will help, because it is George Saunderson, that you are after.

Liverpool, Feb 1893
Extensive Robbery from a Pawn Shop

Ship's Steward Henry Barley, 24, of Spekeland St, Edgehill, was charged on remand ...

 ... Mrs Jane Ewanson, the prisoner's mother-in-law

17th April 1892
Harry Barley, 23, Bachelor, Mariner, Samuel Barley, Photographer.
Elvina Lillian Ewanson, 18, Spinster, Father Arthur Ewanson, Mariner.

Present: H Rylands ; Louisa Ewanson

Residence at Time of Marriage Both of 42 Liffey Street

In 1881 South Toxteth, Liverpool
Elvina Ewanson, 7, with parents Arthur & Jane.
Christiana Ewanson, 2

1879 GRO Index
Reg'n District, West Derby & Toxteth Park
Christina Creighton Ewanson
Mother's Maiden Surname: Henry

1882
Elizabeth Florence Ewanson
Reg'n District, Toxteth Park
Mother's Maiden Surname: Henry

Added: Just read your first post again and you are after the parentage of George Saunderson