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Re: Great Grandad Medal Card
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 05 October 24 08:23 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Comberton  looks like I have the wrong medal card :-\

He was definitely born in Greenock 1892
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 05 October 24 08:31 BST (UK) »
Birth of John Bresland in Derry 18 September 1888 (not 1887) (number 183):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02496/1925695.pdf
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 05 October 24 11:59 BST (UK) »
The Medal Roll shows just 1 John Bresland which is the above.
He went on to serve up until 1924.
It looks like your man didn't volunteer or was never sent overseas
so wouldn't qualify for campaign Medals.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Great Grandad Medal Card
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 05 October 24 14:16 BST (UK) »
Yes it's pretty clear it's not my Great Grandads medal card, thanks for help.
Looking over family certs he was present at his Father's and Mother's deaths in 1915 and 1918 in Greenock. So that suggests he wasn't overseas, like you said.
On his mother's obituary it does say he was a soldier however and he met and married my Great Gran in Frizington, Cumberland. So he may of been in Cumberland as part of his duties.
Need to look into that more. Maybe a home guard or reserve training going on in Cumberland
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Re: Great Grandad Medal Card
« Reply #13 on: Monday 07 October 24 20:38 BST (UK) »
Hello again,
Spoke with my mum and she says he was a soldier and he was based in barracks near Cleater Moor but unfortunately thats all she knows. Looking like he was possibly involved something in that area during the war ???
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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 08 October 24 10:48 BST (UK) »
Hello again,
Spoke with my mum and she says he was a soldier and he was based in barracks near Cleater Moor

As far as I can make out there wasn't any Army barracks in or near to Cleator Moor during the Great War. However, there was a Prisoner of War Camp holding between two and three hundred German prisoners. The camp was situated at Rowrah some four miles from Cleator Moor. The camp was run by soldiers of the South Wales Borderers. I know that your great grandfather was born in Greenock and you may think that he wouldn't be in a Welsh regiment but from 1916 onwards, men were placed wherever the Army needed them. It is also possible that he wasn't deemed fit for service overseas hence him being stationed in the UK.

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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 08 October 24 10:56 BST (UK) »
There was a POW camp near Cleator Moor.
you beat me to it.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Great Grandad Medal Card
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 08 October 24 16:09 BST (UK) »
Hi

Yes I noticed that Google searching that there was a POW camp in that area. That's interesting maybe he was there. He was a very short man(looking at pics)and died in his 40s of heart condition so maybe wasn't fit to fight abroad. Prison guard may have been a way of contributing. Was there height restrictions with recruitment at the time ;D
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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 08 October 24 17:49 BST (UK) »
At the outbreak of war there was a 5' 3" minimum height which was soon discarded
by the introduction of Bantam Btns. so height wasn't a bar to joining, health was.
The classifications were A1 & B1-5.
B3-5 were suitable for home service only.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/