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Placename in Fordyce - possibly Drums of Muirake
« on: Wednesday 02 October 24 22:53 BST (UK) »
Hello
I have the attached Birth Reg from Scotlands People for Annie Guthrie MURRAY, registered in Parish of Fordyce.
I think I'm reading her place of birth correctly as Drums of Muirake.  But I'm drawing a blank trying to find such a place on google or ScotlandsPeople.
Can anyone with local knowledge help?
Can anyone explain what "Drums of" usually means?
Also "Greens of" ?  (I have a family showing at Greens of Burgie near Forres, I can find a place called Burgie)
Many thanks for any help you can give
Scotland - Wigtown MCKIE FRASER, Glasgow ROGERSON KELLY CAMPBELL, Forres MURRAY BLACK ANDERSON MACKENZIE.
England - Croydon SPANSWICK STEVENS MANSER

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Re: Placename in Fordyce - possibly Drums of Muirake
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 02 October 24 23:03 BST (UK) »
Drums of Muirake (Parish of Fordyce)
A number of Scattered Cottage farm houses, with Small gardens, and Crofts of arable land attached: on the north-east Spur of the Knock Hill, the property of The Earl of Seafield.
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/banffshire-os-name-books-1867-1869/banffshire-volume-12/101
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Placename in Fordyce - possibly Drums of Muirake
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 02 October 24 23:34 BST (UK) »
Hello Neale
Thank you very much, that's very helpful.
Can you give me any pointers on searching for this on ScotlandsPeople?  I still get "no results" when I try "muirake", but I can get to what you found if I only do "drums" and then scroll through all the texts it's found in.  Puzzling
Thanks again
Scotland - Wigtown MCKIE FRASER, Glasgow ROGERSON KELLY CAMPBELL, Forres MURRAY BLACK ANDERSON MACKENZIE.
England - Croydon SPANSWICK STEVENS MANSER

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Re: Placename in Fordyce - possibly Drums of Muirake
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 02 October 24 23:57 BST (UK) »
You would search on Scotlandsplaces.
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Placename in Fordyce - possibly Drums of Muirake
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 03 October 24 01:24 BST (UK) »
Sorry Neale - word substitution, yes ScotlandsPlaces.

Thanks GR2 that's a really helpful map
Scotland - Wigtown MCKIE FRASER, Glasgow ROGERSON KELLY CAMPBELL, Forres MURRAY BLACK ANDERSON MACKENZIE.
England - Croydon SPANSWICK STEVENS MANSER

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Re: Placename in Fordyce - possibly Drums of Muirake
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 03 October 24 01:35 BST (UK) »
From the home page of Scotlands Places
Top right of page  Enter Search term. Type in - "Drums of Muirake"

This gives you Banffshire OS Name Book
Click on this and you get 2 entries where the Drums of Muirake are mentioned
Click on each – scrolling down the page will give you a transcription.
Click on maps at very bottom of page

This entry mentions the surname Murray – not sure if it is related to your family
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/banffshire-os-name-books-1867-1869/banffshire-volume-25/19
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Placename in Fordyce - possibly Drums of Muirake
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 03 October 24 01:51 BST (UK) »
Thank you Neale for writing detailed instructions.
I still get no results even when doing/pasting exactly what you say.
I'm starting to wonder if there's a tech/connection issue, as I'm sometimes getting "timed out" errors, sometimes too quickly, but only for ScotlandsPlaces, not for other websites I'm on.  I'll try again another day (night)
Scotland - Wigtown MCKIE FRASER, Glasgow ROGERSON KELLY CAMPBELL, Forres MURRAY BLACK ANDERSON MACKENZIE.
England - Croydon SPANSWICK STEVENS MANSER

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Re: Placename in Fordyce - possibly Drums of Muirake
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 03 October 24 07:49 BST (UK) »
'Druim' is the Gaelic for 'ridge', and it often crops up as 'Drum' in place names.

'Greens' is a bit more difficult. It might be from Gaelic 'grian' meaning 'sun', or 'graine' meaning 'sand'. Or it might just be English 'green' as in the colour of grass.

Looks as if Greens of Burgie was not recorded when the Ordnance Survey drew up the Name Books in the mid-19th century so perhaps it had disappeared or been renamed.

Google is useless for finding small places like a single croft or house or a couple of cottages, especially those that do not exist any more. See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758930.0

PS The Murray mentioned in the listing in Scotland's Places is 'Mr Murray, Banker'. When the OS were drawing up the Name Books, they asked prominent local people, like the landowners, minister, schoolmaster and so on, how places in the locality were pronounced, spelled and written. 'Mr Murray' was almost certainly Peter Murray in the town of Portsoy, who is in the 1861 census aged 49, born in the parish of Fordyce. Looks as if he may have died in Portsoy in 1886, mother's maiden surname Brodie.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.