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Finding Vital stats for Montorio Nei Frentani, Italy
« on: Wednesday 02 October 24 00:06 BST (UK) »
Could use some help.
I am Looking for a birth record for Enrico Pio born  22 Oct 1896 supposedly in Montorio Nei Frentani.
Father was Vincenzo Pio and mother Maria Aurco Dittici.
I cannot seem to get any traction  ???
Some have also suggested he was born in Collevecchio which is not close to Montorio Nei Frentani from what I can glean.
Anybody good at digging around for Italian records???
thank you
WOODAGE (East London);
SPEAR (Laneast, Cornwall);
FRENCH (Rye/Hastings, Sussex);
PERCIVAL (Downe, Kent);
JARVIS (Houghton, Norfolk);
KING (Wortham,Suffolk- Hove, Sussex);
FLEMING(Logierait & Dowally, Perthshire);
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Re: Finding Vital stats for Montorio Nei Frentani, Italy
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 02 October 24 00:48 BST (UK) »
From what source did you get his birthyear as 1896?  A tree on Ancestry has it as 1895?  Died 1989 Canada

Canadian 1931 census shows him as 28??  Obit refers to him as Enrico Richard Pio

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:655C-YQXN

What info re age & name is on his marriage cert?  How old is he on the 1921 census?

Where does he fit into your FH?
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Re: Finding Vital stats for Montorio Nei Frentani, Italy
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 02 October 24 01:23 BST (UK) »
I am working on the Tree for a friend
A g granddaughter of Enrico’s gave me the information on his birth.
WOODAGE (East London);
SPEAR (Laneast, Cornwall);
FRENCH (Rye/Hastings, Sussex);
PERCIVAL (Downe, Kent);
JARVIS (Houghton, Norfolk);
KING (Wortham,Suffolk- Hove, Sussex);
FLEMING(Logierait & Dowally, Perthshire);
LOVE (Ireland Co.?)

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Re: Finding Vital stats for Montorio Nei Frentani, Italy
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 02 October 24 08:35 BST (UK) »
Had a look for birth records on https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ but unfortunately it only shows marriage and citizenship records for Montorio Nei Frentani for 1896.

See this page:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tfw/

This is the only info I can find for Rieti, where records for Collevecchio should be, and can find nothing:

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tfx/

Add:
Found more. PIO not listed in births for 1896;

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tfy/
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Re: Finding Vital stats for Montorio Nei Frentani, Italy
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 02 October 24 09:37 BST (UK) »
The 1931 census says he arrived in Canada in 1914.  Do you have his immigration records?

What document shows his actual birthdate apart from the obit notice?

How old is he on the 1921 census?  Aged 28 in 1931 so b about 1902/3  yet dies in 1989 aged 94

When did he marry Veronica Miller & what info is on his marriage cert re age or parents?

The Ancestry tree has obvious errors - wife b 1907 but a daughter Mary b 1915

If Enrico was b 1895 - he was 41 when son Louis was born in 1936 & 51 when son Dominic was b in 1946 - both deceased

There needs to be further investigation into his birthyear before looking at Italian records for his birth
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Re: Finding Vital stats for Montorio Nei Frentani, Italy
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 02 October 24 14:40 BST (UK) »
Morning
The G granddaughter has his passport. And apparently it has the same Oct 22 date but his birthyear 1896 and not 1895 as the trees at Ancestry and the obit indicate.
I have not been able to find Enrico on the 1921 Canadian Census :-\.
I did find his marriage in 1925 in Montreal to Vera Miller. That was extremely difficult as his surname looks more like Piel than Pio and so it was transcribed improperly online ::)
I have attached it but it gives no indication of his year of birth.  His parents are hard to decipher too.
WOODAGE (East London);
SPEAR (Laneast, Cornwall);
FRENCH (Rye/Hastings, Sussex);
PERCIVAL (Downe, Kent);
JARVIS (Houghton, Norfolk);
KING (Wortham,Suffolk- Hove, Sussex);
FLEMING(Logierait & Dowally, Perthshire);
LOVE (Ireland Co.?)

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Re: Finding Vital stats for Montorio Nei Frentani, Italy
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 02 October 24 15:19 BST (UK) »
Interesting that death certificate gives date of birth as 22 October 1895 as well. However as so long after the event and in another country it is very possible that this is incorrect. Parents' details not known and place of birth only given as Italy.

Not managed to find anything in the Italian records yet  (and there are some gaps in what is available online).
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Re: Finding Vital stats for Montorio Nei Frentani, Italy
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 02 October 24 16:26 BST (UK) »
Morning
I have got a copy of his baptism and it says 22 Oct 1896  :)
His g granddaughter was kind enough to send me an actual photo of this document.
I am trying to attach it here but it will not attach?
I saved it in different formats and none will work :-\
It is very frustrating as I need help deciphering what is handwritten
The format goes:
Municipality, Province,
Next line Parish and Diocese 
Next line  Certificate of Baptism
all in Italian of course but those are easy to google translate the problem is here is in the handwriting  ???.
The Parish clearly says Collevecchio but I am unsure what the Municipality, Province and Diocese say.
The Municipality looks like Montorio  and the Province looks like Teramo
So regardless,  this is clearly not the "town" on Collevecchio in Reiti  but a rather a parish called Colleveccchio.
Does this help narrow it down for where I might look for his parents etc
WOODAGE (East London);
SPEAR (Laneast, Cornwall);
FRENCH (Rye/Hastings, Sussex);
PERCIVAL (Downe, Kent);
JARVIS (Houghton, Norfolk);
KING (Wortham,Suffolk- Hove, Sussex);
FLEMING(Logierait & Dowally, Perthshire);
LOVE (Ireland Co.?)

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Re: Finding Vital stats for Montorio Nei Frentani, Italy
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 02 October 24 17:01 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the extra info, very helpful!

Have now looked through the records for 1896 for Montorio al Vomano, Teramo, but have not found anything. Will see if I can find anything for 1895.
Clarkson, Tolladay, Prevost, Killick, Hicks