Thomas Stobbart (1861 and 1871 searches, please)

[BassinghamTerrier]

Hi again.
I'm still on with researching my wife's line, and some of these Stobbarts are proving quite elusive!

I am currently hunting down THOMAS STOBBART born c1830 in Washington, Durham.
In 1841 I have him in Coxhoe Joint Stock Colliery Homes, Kelloe, Durham, with his parents Thomas and Elizabeth (nee Bygate).
In 1851, now a coal miner, he was still with his parents, this time in New Cassop, Cassop, Durham.
There then follows a frustrating gap of twenty years before he marries Elizabeth Jane Carroll in the Sep Q of 1872.
They subsequently appear in the 1881 Census at Lizzie Pit (Colliery) in Greencroft, Durham, together with their new family and other elements of Elizabeth's birth family.
Elizabeth died in the Sep Q 1882, and in 1891 Thomas is in South Pontop, Annfield Plain, Greencroft, Durham, with his second wife, Mary (nee Cresswell, but was Berkeley/Berkley when she married him in Mar Q 1884), some of his children, new son Cresswell Stobbart and Mary's son Alfred Berkley from her first marriage (wrongly named Stobbart and son of Thomas)
In 1901 they are still in South Pontop.

I have no death date for him.
Several other researchers have this as 1906, but I am wary because his wife/widow Mary and her son Cresswell Stobbart appear in the 1911 Census where she is a Boarding House Keeper in Front Street, Annfield Plain, and declares herself "married" - if so, where is Thomas?

Using Ancestry I have found a couple of Thomas Stobbarts for 1861 and 1871 but the birthplaces, occupations and ages are wrong. Again, other researchers seem to have blithely added these to their family lines!

Any accurate help for 1861, 1871 and death would be hugely appreciated, please.
Thanks in advance.
 

[JenB]

Given that Thomas senior's birthplace is given as Benwell in the 1851 census, might this be them in 1871 at South Pontop? I accept that the ages seem to be all over the place  The location fits with later censuses

RG 10 / 4959/ 16 /28

South Pontop Cottages, Greencroft

Thomas Stobbart, head, mar, 71, coal miner, Benwell Northumberland
Elizabeth do, wife, do, 56, Washington Durham
James do, son, unmar, 21, coal miner, Kelloe do
Thomas do, son, do, 35, do, (looks like)Thrashington do (? a misreading of Washington)
Thomas do, grandson, 8, scholar, Witton Gilbert do
James do, do, 6, do, do

[BassinghamTerrier]

That looks really good, thanks!

I have tried to find them by tracing Thomas Snr (born Benwell) but Ancestry only offers one 1871 record, and that's no good.
This looks like a winner for 1871; I'll go with it.

[JenB]

Was he previously married?
And look at the brother's name and birthplace.

1861 census

RG 9 / 3760 / 77/ 43

Witton Gilbert

Thomas Stobbart, head, mar, 25, coal miner, Durham Waldridge Fell
Ann do, wife, mar, 19, do wife, do do
Elizabeth do, daur, 1, do do
Robert do, bro(ther) lodger, unm, 22, coal miner, do Washington

[BassinghamTerrier]

Hmmmm....
I have no idea if he was married beforehand.
Waldridge Fell to Washington is 7 miles; close enough?

[JenB]

Thomas Stobert + Ann Turnbull. 3rd q 1858, Chester le Street 10a, 387

Birth Elizabeth Turnbull, 1st q 1860, Chester le Street, mmn Turnbull (she is aged 1 in 1861 census)

Thomas (who appears in the 1871 census) born 1862, mmn Turnbull

Death Ann Stobbard aged 26, 4 q 1867, Chester le Street 10a, 245
Burial, Sacriston St Peter on 6 Nov 1867 Ann Stobbart, of Edmondsley aged 26

[JenB]

Thomas Stobert + Ann Turnbull. 3rd q 1858, Chester le Street 10a, 387

A transcription gives the marriage as 11 July 1858, Thomas's age as 24 and his father's name as Thomas. Ann's age 19, father's name John.

[ciderdrinker]

Children John Thomas Sep qtr 1858 Chester le Street
           Elizabeth Mar 1860
           Thomas June 1862
           John Dec 1864  (bapt as John Turnbull Stobart 30.11.1864 born 20 Sept)
           William Thomas June 1866
         
Death for a Ann Stobbard 1841- Dec 1867 Chester le Street Burial Sacriston 6.11.1867

John seems to be with Granny in 1881
Luzzy Colliery Greencroft Lanchester
Elizabeth widow 70 North Biddick
John 16 grandson coal driver Edmonsley Durham

But no sign of grandson James

What do you think?

ps already typing

Ciderdrinker

[JenB]

Is this Thomas's  burial in September 1906?
Entry 1571, residence 'Villa View' Annfield Plain. occupation Miner
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3VC-F6CQ?cat=997267&i=757