Can anyone find Emma Aston on 1841 census please

[LaytonLily]

The folks on this website have been incredibly helpful, I'd say almost performed miracles, at finding FH details for me on a very complicated family.  The Twists of Birmingham leading to the Aston family of Birmingham.   So I am hopeful someone can perform another miracle again by finding Emma Aston born either 1813 or 1817 on the 1841 census.  Trying to be succinct I give these details :
On 1851 census  -  Emma shown living as 'wife' with Joseph Twist in Birmingham.  So named as Emma Twist.  Being 34yrs.  No place of birth recorded.   On Joseph Twist's Will in 1883 proved to be his Housekeeper not his wife.   Her two sons are living there - John 'Twist' aged 14yrs. William 'Twist' aged 12yrs. (plenty found out about William).   Emma died in 1859 and her death certificate says Emma Aston aged 46yrs.    As her son William  changed his name to Aston in 1868 when he married Ann Dora Beard nee Tysall (he was committing bigamy) I am presuming Aston was her birth name and not a previous married name. I have not found her son John after the 1851 census.
I am having one last attempt at finding her, with John and William as Aston on 1841 census.
Anyone up for the challenge !   Many thanks.

[Pennines]

In 1841, the ages of people over 15 years old were rounded DOWN to the nearest 5 years.

There is an Emma Aston aged 20 (hence aged between 20 and 24) - in Ings St, St Thomas, Birmingham.

She is living in the same premises as a Nathaniel Collins and his wife -- so no help really. It may not be the correct Emma. No children with her.

[LaytonLily]

I will take a look into that - thank you.  I have found various entries for Emma Aston but none that had John and William, they would be babies, so surely with her.   Or maybe her mother - whoever that might be ! 

[Pennines]

I did look for the children in 1841, but couldn't find both of them together (in Warwickshire).

The fact that Emma hasn't shown a birthplace in 1851, makes me wonder if she didn't know where she was born.

There are a couple of possible baptisms for an Emma, in Birmingham around the right date - but we cannot be sure it is her of course.

[Cas (stallc)]

There is a possible birth registration, that may or may not be William. No mother name recorded. Digital download £3.00 on GRO. If him, may hold additional clue if another registered him, or area born.

ASTON, WILLIAM       - 
GRO Reference: 1838  J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 16  Page 337

Only a possible

Cas

[Pennines]

Good one Cas -- definitely worth getting that birth cert. as clues are thin on the ground!

It may not be him - but at the very worst it will 'eliminate him from enquiries'.

[LaytonLily]

Thank you for replies.  Over the years, I have sent for any number of birth certificates for William Aston born about 1839, none with Emma as mother.  But will check the details of the one mentioned. Have also looked on 1841 census for a John and William Aston, appropriate ages, living together, even without Emma, but nothing.    I think I might just have to accept I will never find her family line.  Same as I will never know my mothers maternal line back from her mother.  As much as one might want the information, it just might never be found.   But having achieved what seems like miracles, you still want more !   They do talk about the 'serendipity of FH research' so one lives in hope.

[Dave Francis]

Too much of a coincidence, so posting this...

Joseph, son of Joseph & Emma Twist
Born 3 May 1845
Baptised 1 January 1846
at St Martin, Birmingham
Abode: Worcester Street
Father's occ: Joiner

Possible death reg for him:
Joseph Twist
Mar qtr 1847
Aston vol 16 p191

[Ladyhawk]

On Joseph Twist's Will in 1883 proved to be his Housekeeper not his wife.   

Her two sons are living there - John 'Twist' aged 14yrs. William 'Twist' aged 12yrs. (plenty found out about William).   

Emma died in 1859 and her death certificate says Emma Aston aged 46yrs.   
 
I am presuming Aston was her birth name and not a previous married name.

Could her two children be living with family members in 1841?

Could she have named her first born John after her father 

There is this baptism

Emma Aston Birth 21 Mar 1816
Baptism 15 Apr 1816 St. Martins, Birmingham, Warwick
Father John, occ carpenter & joiner Mother   Mary

Have you ruled out this Emma?

Hospital Street, Upper Court, St George, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Emma   Twist   1813   Warwickshire occ carder
Elizabeth           1841   Warwickshire not found a birth mmn Aston

Do you have Joseph Twist on the 1841 census?

Can you give more details of Emma's death who was the informant ? Was it a family member?

On 1851 census  -  Emma shown living as 'wife' with Joseph Twist in Birmingham.  So named as Emma Twist.  Being 34yrs.  No place of birth recorded.   

On the 1851 census I see they have a son Joseph Twist - Is this his birth & do you have the birth certificate?

TWIST, JOSEPH   mmn ASTON
GRO Reference: 1849  M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 16  Page 338

Is this Joseph & his father in 1861?

1861 Piece   2120
Folio   97
Page number   32
Kings Norton   
Joseph Twist   40   Head occ Horsedealer
Joseph Twist   13   Son
both pob dittoed as Birmingham

There's also this birth entry

TWIST, CHARLES   mmn ASTON
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 16  Page 361

and this 1871 census entry

1871 Piece   3079
Folio   123
Page number   28
Kings Norton   
Joseph Twist   55   Head Bn Birmn occ  Inte... op….
Joseph Twist   22   Son        ditto occ horse dealer
Charles Twist   18   Son bn Kings Norton occ ditto
Samuel Twist   16   Son                 ditto  occ ditto

1861 census
Charles age 10 and Samuel Twist age 8 are boarding with a William & Eliza Dedicoat

Not found a birth entry for Samuel to confirm mmn but there is this possible marriage same occupation as 1871 census but he has a middle name and his father's occ is different 

Samuel Gunn Twist Age 21, occ horse dealer
Father   Joseph Twist, occ builder
Spouse   Mary Ann Wright
Married 7 Oct 1872 Birmingham, Bishop Ryder, Warwickshire

There is a Joseph Twist occ builder born Birmingham c 1821 married to Caroline bn 1838 on 1881 census living Grove Road Kings Norton