PARRY Families 1700s - Rhiwlas, Llansilin, Llangollen

[Lins_Australia]

My 4 x gt grandfather - Richard Parry - has his baptism recorded at Llansilin in 1769 - as Rhiwlas - to parents Edward and Ann.  (He married in Shropshire in 1792).
I have Edward Parry marrying Anne Roberts at Llansilin in 1761 - by banns - they both X.
Trying to work out this Edward Parry.
The will of Simon Parry in 1761 - of Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog - gives a property Tyn y Fron (Rhiwlas) - to his nephew Richard Parry of Rhiwlas Blaen.  A bequest also to the son of that Richard Parry - Edward Parry.  I would like to think that this Edward Parry is 'my' Edward Parry.
I know that Simon Parry was buried at Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog in 1762, but in 1745 he was a Church Warden at Llangadwaladr, and his nephew - Richard Parry - was buried at Llangadwaladr in 1764.
The will of John Parry of Llandynan in 1729, mentions his three brothers - Edward, Philip and Simon.  John Parry is buried at Llangollen in 1730.
The assumption is that one of these brothers or this family - is the father to Richard Parry who died in 1764.  And that this Richard Parry is the father of the Edward Parry who married in 1761.
I have these few jigsaw pieces, but can't put them into an ancestry.
Any thoughts ?
Lindsay

[tornado]

hello Lins . Parry is a typical Welsh name , my Grandfather's all came from Denbighshire and were lead miners . So good luck with your welsh ancestry Lin .

[Gadget]

Mine are the same. Mainly in Chirk and Ruabon.

I constructed a database of the name of all the BMDs listed in the parish records of these 2 parishes and some of the adjacent parishes to identify my line(s).

I found some in the entiy for Chirk jn the St Asaph  Notitia 1666-7

https://www.library.wales/discover-learn/digital-exhibitions/archives/st-asaph-notitiae

My search is still 'on going'.


Gadget

[Lins_Australia]

Thank you Gadget
When Richard Parry inherited the property Tyn y Fron / Rhiwlas in 1762 from his 'uncle' Simon Parry - would that have been enough reason for there to be probate when he died in 1764 ?
I did not find a will for him.
Tithe map of 1843 still records Richard Parry as being the owner / occupier - even though in 1841 - the property occupants are Hugh and Catherine Hughes.
The only possible baptism of an Edward Parry to a father Richard that I found:
Richard Parry and wife Mary (cannot find a marriage):
At Llangollen:
Edward - son of Richard Parry of "Havod Gynfawr" - baptised 11 Apr 1735.  Son John in 1737.
Hafod-y-Gynfawr - is a locality or a property name in 1735 ?

The St Asaph notitiae - all 654 images.  Is there a way to navigate that to the town you want ?
You once pointed to Llansilin in that file - but the link no longer works.
And is it a transcript that was produced -  Parochial notitiae for St. Asaph Diocese, 1681-7 / Clwyd Family History Society - a booklet ?  The only library copy in Australia is in Melbourne.

Too many questions ? 
Greatly appreciate contributions.
Lindsay

[Gadget]

Hi Lindsay

As far as I can remember, Hafod-gynfawr  (various spellings) is/was part of the Glyntraian  and would have been in the Llangollen parish for the time that you are interested in. Also,  have a look at the map and detail are of this area on Genuki:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Llangollen.

One of my Jones familes lived in that area and they also used Selattyn or even Whittington  church.

There should be a will or an inventory - it might be worth searching through the records over a wider time frame. Some legal documents can be much later than the death.  Also, are you sure that Simon owned the freehold. It could be that he was a tenant.

When the St Asaph notitiae first went on line, the individual parishes were listed. It maybe that the collection has been refiled. It might be worth doing a wider search or phone the library. If I have time, I'll have a look.

I'll get back to you with any other info that I find.

Gadget

PS - parts of Llansilin parish were in Oswestry - again my Roberts/Ellis family were there for a while

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Llansilin

[Gadget]

If you scroll down to the bottom of the link that I gave to the Notitiae, you'll find a link listing (in blue) of the individual places in Alpha order.

E.G Llansilin is here:

https://viewer.library.wales/4776531#?c=&m=&s=0&cv=221&xywh=-1895%2C-136%2C5738%2C2718

Note that it says

There were no returns from the following parishes: Abergele, Carno, Eglwys Fach, Llanarmon, Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog, Llanarmon Mynydd Mawr, Llanbrynmair, Llandysilio, Llanefydd, Llanrwst, Llanycil, Merchwiel, Nannerch, Penegoes, Pennant, Pentre Voelas, St Asaph, Sychtyn, Wrexham.

[Gadget]

Re LLANCADWALADR

I've just remembered that it was different!!

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Llangadwaladr

"A parish in the Union of Llanfyllin, in the Cynlleth and Mochnant divisions of the hundred of Chirk, county of Denbigh; 9 miles (W by N) from Oswestry, containing 205 inhabitants. This place was formerly a chapelry in the parish of Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant, but was separated from it by Act of Parliament, and formed into a parish of itself. The village is situated in a small valley surrounded by barren mountains of dreary aspect, and is not distinguished by any peculiar features." [A Topographical Dictionary of Wales, 1833 & 1849, Samuel Lewis]

I can't remember it being barren or dreary but there was a long pull up the road  from the Glyn side

[Gadget]

Hi again Lindsay


I've just had a thought that you might read the  posts via e-mail rather than the whole thread.

I've added a few additions to some of my posts so that the issues that I was dealing with were together.

These additions can't be read if you use the e-mail route so it's best to read the thread itself.

Gadget

[Gadget]

Re your will/probate query - see this:

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/wills-or-administrations-before-1858/

Gadget