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Re: Post offices in Tyrone 1895- 1920
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 24 September 24 15:53 BST (UK) »
   Trouble is, we all know that people tell little fibs, even on important documents.  It could be that the father may have been dead to him, rather than actually dead. (How old was the father when he died 1831...If he's the one born 1876, might he have considered a first child in a will?)
   Also, the father was said to have died before James married in 1919 so if true, may have occurred any time after the birth of James.
   Stephen could have even been the mother's maiden name. The previous searchers 9 yrs ago even suggest the lad may have been informally adopted by his caregivers. It would be nice to find something concrete, but even with a forename like Oliver, we might  as well be looking for a John.
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Re: Post offices in Tyrone 1895- 1920
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 24 September 24 17:09 BST (UK) »
Has anyone checked the UK, Postal Service Appointment Books on Ancestry
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/1933/?srsltid=AfmBOoo3G_GtKnkFJ7g_l3uiRYHY35fa0OsuChVRKb3X5plBzcFEj6kW

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Re: Post offices in Tyrone 1895- 1920
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 24 September 24 17:20 BST (UK) »
I think I liked at that a few years back. there was an Oliver Black but in London. Could be interesting to check again as James was in Exeter for some reason in 1919 working as a garage clerk.

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Re: Post offices in Tyrone 1895- 1920
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 24 September 24 17:53 BST (UK) »
   Trouble is, we all know that people tell little fibs, even on important documents.  It could be that the father may have been dead to him, rather than actually dead. (How old was the father when he died 1831...If he's the one born 1876, might he have considered a first child in a will?)
   Also, the father was said to have died before James married in 1919 so if true, may have occurred any time after the birth of James.
   Stephen could have even been the mother's maiden name. The previous searchers 9 yrs ago even suggest the lad may have been informally adopted by his caregivers. It would be nice to find something concrete, but even with a forename like Oliver, we might  as well be looking for a John.



Yes, true but it's that odd he said the name Oliver and Postmaster. There must be a link even though he might not be his father. I think the family he lived in with in 1911 in Drumnahoe had links to a post office via James Sinclair Black and his wife Maggie. Defo no DNA links with the though. I need a crystal ball !!


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Re: Post offices in Tyrone 1895- 1920
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 24 September 24 21:26 BST (UK) »
If this one (not marked as a relative, though)...Perhaps the issue was religion, or parents way too young to marry & care for a child. Have you searched this one dry?
   1911 census as a boarder...with another James Black- His Aunts Isabella & Magggie
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Douglasburn/Drumnahoe/848123/
   1901 Here older James marked as son...If in usual relationship to head would be Bella
Could this be James with surname "Gallagher" age 5 (but marked as Roman Catholic)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Douglasburn/Drumnahoe/1751650/
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Re: Post offices in Tyrone 1895- 1920
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 24 September 24 22:02 BST (UK) »
If this one (not marked as a relative, though)...Perhaps the issue was religion, or parents way too young to marry & care for a child. Have you searched this one dry?
   1911 census as a boarder...with another James Black- His Aunts Isabella & Magggie
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Douglasburn/Drumnahoe/848123/
   1901 Here older James marked as son...If in usual relationship to head would be Bella
Could this be James with surname "Gallagher" age 5 (but marked as Roman Catholic)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Douglasburn/Drumnahoe/1751650/

Yes, I'm almost sure he was James Gallagher in 1901. I have tried to trace that one and it looks like he has disappeared or morphed into James Black aged 15 in 1911. A couple of likely birth records to single mothers in work houses.

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Re: Post offices in Tyrone 1895- 1920
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 25 September 24 00:13 BST (UK) »
Much as we all love a good hunt...this might just be an Oopsie-Daisy...that the family covered up... we weren't ever meant to find, or know more about.
   It would have been good to have been aware of other previous hunts with a link or two. Your cryptic hints that you have more information isn't helpful.

     ...and...Who is James Sinclair Black, BTW???
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Re: Post offices in Tyrone 1895- 1920
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 25 September 24 07:47 BST (UK) »
I wasnt being unhelpful as I’m very grateful for all the help I have been given. It’s just that I don’t want to mislead anyone with unhelpful links that I may be making assumptions about. James Stephen Black is my grandfather .

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Re: Post offices in Tyrone 1895- 1920
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 25 September 24 09:18 BST (UK) »
It would have been far better, easier and quicker if this thread had started along the lines of 'My grandfather James Stephen Black was born _ in Ireland and his 1919 marriage in England lists his father as Oliver Black, postmaster. I'm looking for details about his father' rather than asking about postmasters in Tyrone with a connection to an Oliver Black or any Blacks.

Several times I posted information which was seemingly ignored (post #3,4, 8) and questions also went unanswered.
If you'd like help finding information perhaps you could tell us how Oliver Black or Black family and Strabane/Ardstraw are supposed to fit with post office.
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Which Oliver Black were you looking for?

I think I did actually come across something useful pertaining to your grandfather's family which I didn't post at the time because you didn't provide us with enough details.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!