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Re: Robert and Esther née Jeffs Smith .
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 12 September 24 16:15 BST (UK) »
The other infant death then, missed first time around due to different spelling:

SMITH
MAGDALENA CHALM
1
F
1908
168 / 1 / 1022
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Re: Robert and Esther née Jeffs Smith .
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 12 September 24 16:20 BST (UK) »
 So, the surviving children (other than Robert junior), from first wife, Elizabeth, were with Robert and second wife Esther at 1921, suggesting Robert's RAF record from 1918/19, which stated he was a widower, was correct, and as it apparently also stated this on his marriage to Esther, all seems in order, yet still no obvious death record for Elizabeth in Scotland, despite it likely occuring between 1911 and 1919.

frederickay, what was Elizabeth's mum's surname, per the 1901 marriage?

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Re: Robert and Esther née Jeffs Smith .
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 12 September 24 18:02 BST (UK) »
Hi 5 am here in NZ . I have had Quick Look but will take it in further after morning coffee . I am sure some of these names will be correct as I had seen a note elsewhere that Robert Smith was a widower left with six children and I see you have their names there . I will have to refresh my memory as to his marriage date to Elizabeth Sim but I believe it was in 1901 after the census . Thank you for your incredible efforts . I have registered with Scotland people and am getting used to the workings of it . Back to sleep now …
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Re: Robert and Esther née Jeffs Smith .
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 12 September 24 21:52 BST (UK) »
Just to confirm two of the children below are Robert and Elizabeth children as Elizabeth’s family  have the same names . Magdalena Charmers and Birnie sims feature in Elizabeth life . I now just need to sort out in which generation . . I will continue to dig deeper . Thank you . Fred
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Re: Robert and Esther née Jeffs Smith .
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 12 September 24 22:23 BST (UK) »
Mmmm...there was this marriage......

SIM
BIRNIE
GATENBY
MAGDALENA CHALM
1898
213 / 14
Kintore


SIM
BIRNIE
CHALMERS
MAGDALENA
1898
213 / 14
Kintore

but that was only 3 years before Elizabeth's own marriage.
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Re: Robert and Esther née Jeffs Smith .
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 12 September 24 22:37 BST (UK) »
I will go back . I wonder if I skipped a generation in my over eagerness. I am looking at ancestery . Thank you . Fred .
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Re: Robert and Esther née Jeffs Smith .
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 12 September 24 23:10 BST (UK) »
Possible?
1891 census  Fraserburgh
Birnie J. M. Sim, age 43, born Fraserburgh Aberdeenshire, carpenter unemployed
Elizabeth J. F. Sim age 12, daughter born Strichen Aberdeenshire
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Robert and Esther née Jeffs Smith .
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 12 September 24 23:14 BST (UK) »
Yes I think that’s the father . He may have had son same name . Fred .
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Re: Robert and Esther née Jeffs Smith .
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 12 September 24 23:32 BST (UK) »
Birnie J M SIM born 30 Jan 1850 Fraserburgh. He died 1929 in Fraserburgh.
       Parents Birnie Sim and Magdalene Chalmers

Birnie John Malls SIM married Isabella ROLLO 1878 Kelvin

Elizabeth Jane SIM born 1879 Strichen
Mother – ROLLO

Isabella (Rollo) SIM died 1888 Strichen

Birnie J M SIM married Ann DAVIDSON 1893 Fraserburgh
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)
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