Elwyn Williams of Bangor, father William Williams mother Margaret Roberts

[bleddyn31]

Hello,
I've hit a dead end with my family and I cannot find any records other than a obituary. I'm looking for more information on Elwyn Jake Williams, died June 2009 in Bangor, age 67. All I know is his father, William Williams, lived in Williams Street in Holyhead. His mother was Margaret Roberts. I believe William died in 1986 or 1987, that's what my parents say.
I've asked my grandma Gwyneth but she's losing her ability to retain information due to age, she can only remember names, not dates.

[CaroleW]

Welcome to Rootschat

There is no Elwyn Jake Williams death in 2009 - he is recorded just as Elwyn b 1942

There is no birth in 1941-1943 for an Elwyn Williams with a mmn Roberts

Exactly what kind of info are you looking for?  If you are looking for marriage/children his widow may possibly still be alive & any children will have been born in the 1960’s or later.

Rootschat does not allow the publication of information on living persons to protect their privacy

[bleddyn31]

I can send the obituary through, he died when I was young
He was aged 67 when he died in June 2009
My dad was born indeed in the late 60s,
His widow would be my living grandmam, but she can't recollect much and neither can my father, as he was kicked out of Elwyns household in his teens

I'm trying to find any record of my dad's side and can't pinpoint down anything past Elwyn other than name and the year my parents roughly remember Elwyns father dying. My dad doesn't know when William Williams was born and neither does his siblings. I've scouted everywhere and cannot find any records. I can find a record of divorce with my grandmam and Elwyn, but it doesn't tell much at all. I don't even know where Elwyn was born, a lot of haze surrounds but my parents have said tie his father to Llandeusant, and in the last 20 years of his life William lived on Williams Street in Holyhead but I cannot find any record of residence.

The information I am looking for is literally anything that can show where they existed or when, just something to go off of.

[CaroleW]

Was your father an only child?  If he had siblings & you know their whereabouts - have you asked if they can provide any info?

Does the obit name children or a widow other than your grandmother indicating he remarried?

A copy of his death cert will give his full birthdate which could help pinpoint his birth registration.  It will also give some details of the person who reported his death & their address

A copy of the marriage cert to your grandmother will confirm his fathers name but with a surname like Williams it may not be any real help

A long shot but if an undertaker is named in the obit & are still in business & still have records from 2009   - they may agree to pass on your details to whoever arranged the funeral but no guarantees

[bleddyn31]

Hello
I've asked all my uncles and they're none the wiser, I ask and they just go "f**k knows". My only hope is to talk to Elwyns sister my great auntie Jean. I hope I can get some information on that side.

So reading his obituary it lists his children I recognize all my uncles, my dad but another child whomsoever I've never heard of. Never mentioned by any of my parents.
I think there was a divorce record somewhere in my research, but it doesn't show a year only my grandma's maiden name.

I hope I havent reached bedrock.

[CaroleW]

Did your uncles have any contact with him?  If not - who arranged the funeral & who reported his death?  Possibly his sister.  She will also have details of parents etc

[dragonT]

Hi,
Maybe I can help a bit. Most of the information which follows comes from transcriptions of Anglesey BMD certificates and some does not fit with information you already have.

There is a birth registration for Elwyn son of William Williams and Maggie Ann Jones b. 12 Jun 1942, Llanddeusant.
Marriage 7 Nov 1936, Holyhead Registry Office - William Williams, 20, b, agricultural labourer, Cae Bach, Llanddeusant, son of Owen John Williams, farmer and Maggie Ann Jones, 20, s, Penbonc, Llanfugail, dau. of Thomas Jones, agricultural labourer.
I can find birth registration for two of Elwyn's siblings - Llewelyn and Jean.

Deaths registered on Anglesey in 1986/7 for William Williams (no middle name):
17 May 1986 age 63; d.o.b. (from FreeBMD) - 5 Apr 1923
28 Jun 1986 age 85; d.o.b. 18 Feb 1901
19 Sep 1987 age 78; d.o.b. 8 Apr 1909
Note none of these were 20 in 1936.

Birth registration:
William son of Owen John Williams and Jane Thomas 26 Aug 1916, Llanddeusant.
Using this d.o.b. it seems that William Williams' death was registered in Birkenhead:
1987 Birkenhead 37,672, d.o.b. 26AU1916 - on FreeBMD.

If you think this is correct let me know what further information you need.

[Cas (stallc)]

The marriage in 1936 looks like it could be the correct one Dragon T. The couple are in the 1939 register with birth dates 1916. 2 redacted entries. It looks like Margaret/Maggie remarried to a Roberts.

Added: or name change given, dated 1960 to Roberts. This would have been when the register was changed.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/42279703:61596

Possible
Death same birthdate as 1939 Register
Name   Margaret Ann Roberts
Death Age   80
Birth Date   21 Aug 1916
Registration Date   Jun 1997
Registration district   Ynys Mon
Inferred County   Gwynedd
Register Number   35A
District and Subdistrict   8571
Entry Number   64

Welcome to Rootschat Bleddyn 

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

Possible birth reg for William going by birthdate  26 Aug 1916
 

Deleted - see Dragon T above