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Re: Surname change - how to discover original surnane
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 10 September 24 13:08 BST (UK) »

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Re: Surname change - how to discover original surnane
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 10 September 24 13:12 BST (UK) »
Both Dora and Ellen (Helen), are showing at the Church Street address in Electoral Registers of the early 1920s, up to 1926.
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Re: Surname change - how to discover original surnane
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 10 September 24 13:25 BST (UK) »
Have found a death certificate for Dora Rennie in 1960 :

Dora RENNIE ( married to Helen RYAN ) died 25 July 1960 of 41 Church Street , Dundee
Father : Agostino RENNIE farmer  ( deceased )
Mother : Maria RENNIE ( formerly BIANCHI ) deceased

Edit - forgot to include age at death - he was 72.
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Re: Surname change - how to discover original surnane
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 10 September 24 13:30 BST (UK) »
Have found a death certificate for Dora Rennie in 1960 :

Dora RENNIE ( married to Helen RYAN ) died 25 July 1960 at 41 Church Street , Dundee
Father : Agostino RENNIE farmer  ( deceased )
Mother : Maria RENNIE ( formerly BIANCHI ) deceased

Edit - forgot to include age at death - he was 72.

Well that certainly explains why he wasn't listed on CWGC site!
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Re: Surname change - how to discover original surnane
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 10 September 24 13:33 BST (UK) »
Have found a death certificate for Dora Rennie in 1960 :

Dora RENNIE ( married to Helen RYAN ) died 25 July 1960 at 41 Church Street , Dundee
Father : Agostino RENNIE farmer  ( deceased )
Mother : Maria RENNIE ( formerly BIANCHI ) deceased

Edit - forgot to include age at death - he was 72.

Would you mind reporting it to Scotlandspeople as mis-indexed, thanks. I saw that death, but it is indexed as F for Female. It was kind of you to chance using your credits on it for EdithKennedy21, and good that it was indeed the male Dora. No wonder he was still appearing in some records after 1918. Perhaps whatever "sickness" caused his discharge, meant that before she emigrated,  his wife took on running the household, given she was named on the Valuation Rolls as Tennant/Occupier rather than him.

RENNIE
DORA
72
F
1960
301 / 25
Liff, Benvie and Invergowrie

Sad, though, that for whatever reason, family members/friends were, it would seem, led to believe he had died in WW1. At 1927, the children were old enough to know their father had not been killed in WW1, but perhaps went along with this 'story' once in Canada.
"As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know."  - Donald Rumsfeld

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Re: Surname change - how to discover original surnane
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 10 September 24 13:42 BST (UK) »
Reported to ScotlandsPeople as suggested.
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Re: Surname change - how to discover original surnane
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 10 September 24 13:42 BST (UK) »
"As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know."  - Donald Rumsfeld

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Re: Surname change - how to discover original surnane
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 10 September 24 14:09 BST (UK) »
1931 Canada census, Helen is claiming to be a widow.

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=census&id=81854824&lang=eng

Helen's first two children James (1910) and George (1911) died as infants.  Children with her in 1931 are Andrew (1913), Dora/Doreen (1914), John (1915) and Thomasina (1920).  She is recorded as Thomas Ina in 1931.

Looking at the indexes they may have had another 3 infant deaths in the 1920s.

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Re: Surname change - how to discover original surnane
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 10 September 24 14:26 BST (UK) »
In 1921 the family is indexed as KENNIE in Dundee.  There is an extra child named James who is an infant under 1 year.  Possibly...

Birth

RENNIE, JAMES EDWARD

1921
282 / 3 / 542
St Andrew (Dundee)

Death

RENNIE,  JAMES EDWARD
aged 1
   
Mother: LYAN
1922
282 / 3 / 827
St Andrew (Dundee)

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