Surname change - how to discover original surnane

[Millmoor]

The family appear to have been transcribed as Kennie in the 1921 census in Dundee St Andrew R D. as Dundee has stated ( was typing when  Dundee posted).

Dora Kennie 33
Dora Kennie 6
James Kennie 0
John Kennie 5
Helen Kennie 31
Andrew Kennie 8
Thomasina Kennie 1

Valuation rolls index transcription has Mrs Dora Rennie as tenant/ occupier  at 41 Church Street in 1920 and 1925 but not in 1930, 1935 or 1940.

William

[Millmoor]

Dundee Courier 17 Oct 1917

Dundee Seaforth Wins Military Medal

Private D Rennie , Seaforth Highlanders, whose wife resides at 41 Church Street, Dundee has been awarded the Military Medal for gallantry and devotion to duty. Private Rennie is 29 years of age and had been in France for about 5 months.

Prior to enlistment he was employed as a weaver in the city.

( The article actually has an accompanying photograph of him).

William

[EdithKennedy21]

Many thanks for both of your responses

My cousin has replied to my Email from today when I asked for further information

Although the Granddaughter she is helping had been told her Grandfather did not return from the war his daughter Thomasina was born circa 1921

She now feels that there is something very odd about the information D Rennie died as had been stated and also that her Mum did not know the real surname of her Father D Rennie


Do know that Doreen child of Dora and Helen is the Mum of lady (who is named Helen which I assume is in honour of Helen Ryan) my cousin is helping to try and establish the correct surname of her Grandfather

Also the 1931 Canadian Census has Helen Ryan (Rennie) as being born in Scotland not Newcastle - so yet another discrepancy

I appreciate all you have sourced for me  and have passed  it on to my cousin
Many many thanks


Edith A
Is the photo attached to the article available to view?

[Millmoor]

Hope this works. The attachment is a snip from the newspaper in question.

William

[EdithKennedy21]

Many thanks to the many replies

Both my cousin Diane who sent me the initial enquiry and myself had came to the conclusion something did not ring true about D Rennie dying in WW1 especially as Thomasina was born circa 1921 

Also feel it is possible that Dora who married in 1939 does link to same people I enquired about

Thank you so much to the person who contacted Scotland People to informs them that the Gender was wrongly entered for Dora Rennie Senior using their credits on this site on my behalf

So kind 👍🏻

Is it possible that Dora either married twice or married once officially and had a second family?

Cannot thank everyone enough - so grateful

Edith A

[scotmum]

Christine53, who was informant on Dora's death certificate and what was their address?

It seems odd that whilst Dora died at the same address he and Helen lived at in the 1920s, he does not appear there in the 1930/35/40 Valuation Rolls as a Tenant/Occupier. I wonder if he was living at the address with someone of another surname, and they were on the Rolls.

Also in need of further checking is that the newspaper item on Dora refers to the Seaforth Highlanders, yet the medal card refers to the Scottish Rifles. These were different regiments.

[aghadowey]

Here are the details for 'other' Dora-

RENNIE DORA (mother's maiden name- MCINTOSH) F 1905 644 / 3 / 3204 Dennistoun
From census returns this is likely marriage of her parents-
RENNIE JAMES to MCINTOSH ELIZABETH ANN 1899 232 / 2 / 1 Boddam

RENNIE DORA 1911 census F age 5 644/4 19/ 5 Dennistoun Lanark
Also: Elizabeth 35, Elizabeth 10, James 8.

RENNIE DORA 1921 census F age 15 168/3 11/ 24 Rubislaw Aberdeen
Also: Elizabeth 20.

RENNIE DORA to LEIPER ALEXANDER 1939 168 / 2 / 871 Aberdeen Southern District

RENNIE DORA age 69 (mother- MCINTOSH) F 1975 300 / 342 Aberdeen
LEIPER DORA age 69 (mother- MCINTOSH) F 1975 300 / 342 Aberdeen

Aberdeen Evening Express, 18 Nov.1986: November 15, 1986, Alexander of 10 Whitehall Place, Aberdeen, dearly beloved husband of the late Dora Rennie, much loved father and grandfather. Service at Aberdeen Crematorium, Hazlehead (East Chapel), on Wednesday, November 19 ...

[Millmoor]

From the free search on SP  I suspect that this is Dora and Helen in the 1911 census in Dundee  (as transcribed).

Rennie Nellie F 21

Rennie Dorw M 22.

Ref 282/4 41/40 St Andrew R D

 Edith,  it might be worth looking at the 1911 and 1921 censuses for Dora to see what it says regarding his place of birth.

William

[scotmum]

Edith,  it might be worth looking at the 1911 and 1921 censuses for Dora to see what it says regarding his place of birth.

William

...and Helen/Ellen/Nellie's birthplace too.

Plus, for a few extra SP credits, the marriage record that aghadowey gave index details for eaflier in this thread, is also worth looking at and should name both sets of parents, which might assist in tying Helen's lineage down.