Surname change - how to discover original surnane

[EdithKennedy21]

Hello
Wondering if anyone can help re a query my cousin based in Canada has asked me for help with

I have checked IGI and Ancestry but with so little info it is hard to discover any official records


Helen Ryan born circa 1892 Newcastle upon Tyne married an man of Italian Origin who was named ‘Dora Rennie’
Rennie being the surname he was known by after changing his Italian surname
His parents were Antonio and Maria - no surname known


After marrying Helen and Dora lived in Dundee for some time
Sadly Dora Rennie was killed in WW1

Helen emigrated with her  family in 1927  to Toronto which is the area where my cousin lives
She has sourced records for 1931 showing the children and Helen living near to a sister in Ontario

Have asked if marriage took place in Newcastle
Still awaiting an answer on this as may then get a date for marriage


Many thanks

Edith A

[aghadowey]

The marriage took place in Scotland which is good news since Scottish marriage registrations lists name of both parents (not just the fathers like English ones)-
RENNIE DORA & RYAN HELEN BROWN 1909 282 / 3 / 33 St Clement

Sadly Dora Rennie was killed in WW1

Doesn't appear under that name in CWGC database-
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/

Scotland's People also show four children born 1911-1915 in St. Andrew dist. (Aberdeen)- did all of them go to Canada with their mother and stay in Canada?

[EdithKennedy21]

Wow
Thanks
That was quick

Is there any surname for parents?

Much appreciated


Edith A

[aghadowey]

Sorry, should have explained that the details are from the index and you need to register on the site, buy a few credits then click on 'FULL' to see the actual record.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

[aghadowey]

One of the children was Dora born 1914 and there's a Dora Rennie (female) marriage in Scotland in 1939. Perhaps just a coincidence.

There are also newspaper reports in 1932 of alleged abduction of a 17 year old girl Dora Rennie. Again maybe just a coincidence.

[EdithKennedy21]

Thank you again
Did wonder if you had used Scotland People

Many thanks for looking and letting me know what you sourced

Much appreciated


Edith A

[EdithKennedy21]

Hi again

Noticed a reply  I did not respond to earlier
Apologies

Mother and four children all in Toronto  Canada as was another relative

The lady’s now elderly Granddaughter lives in Barrie, and my cousin attends the same Church as this lady trying to finding data on her Italian Grandfather

One of Dora’s Brothers stayed in Dundee - no name for this person but could ask

It could be that the Dora Rennie - Female - was named in honour of the male Dora but have nothing to say that is correct

I thank you for all your searches on my behalf after posting on the Forum

Edith A

[scotmum]

A Dora Rennie served with the 2nd Battalion Scottish Rifles in WW1, and the Hampshire Regiment.

Service numbers being 33113 and 56479 respectively.

You can register and view his medal card for free at:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D4826532

Also on the Silver War Badge roll, showing discharged from Hampshire Regiment in September 1918, aged 29, seemingly due to some form of 'sickness', judging by the index stating:

"Cause of discharge: Para of King's Regulation 392 xvi Sickness (a))"

So, was still alive.

[Christine53]

I couldn't find a death in 1917 for Dora Rennie , although I did find the medal card and also an entry on the Silver War Badge Rolls. I found entries on the Electoral Rolls for Dora and Mrs Ellen Rennie living at 41 Church Street , Dundee up until 1926. I also found Helen Rennie , aged 37 , of 41 Church Street , Dundee on a passenger list with 4 children going to Quebec from Scotland 23 Apr 1927 on the ship Montcalm. Is this the correct family ?