New update on McKay

[sparrett]

Some inconsistencies appearing.

The AIF soldier, killed in action 1917 is registered as born 1897 which agrees with the enlistment details.
However the given name is not Archie or Archibald.

CAMERON FRANK E.
Parents John and Lola
At Parkes
15322/

His birthdate is after the "alleged marriage date" of Arthur SMART with Mary Lola which is shown on  Florences CAMERON's BC. 1895.

Florence clearly claims Archie as her brother in the NAA file.

 
Sue

[Dundee]

Now i got married certificate for John and Mary on marriage certificates show her name Lola her father was Frederick Hugh McKay

Frederick Hugh McKAY - that is not what you say here....

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=884474

I got her marriage certificate to John hoping to find her birth certificate
it shows on Marriage to john was Lola Mckay show she was RESIDENCE THE OAKS, NEAR FORBES
22 DEC 1888. PLACE OF MARRIAGE THE MANSE, FORBES
WITNESSES FREDCK McKay, NORA NEWTON
THE CONSENT OF FREDERICK McKay, FATHER OF THE BRIDE, WAS GIVEN TO THE MARRIAGE OF LOLA McKay WITH JOHN CAMERON, THE SAID LOLA McKay BEING UNDER THE AGE OF 21 YEARS

Debra 

[dheath14]

I hope I am not going to confuse everyone.

Firstly re NAA Record of Archibald Cameron. His Service No is 2388. Place of Birth: Bogan Gate NSW. He enlisted 4th May 1916. Father John Cameron is NOK at Kaludah. His contact details were later changed to W j Morris Rae St Forbes. ( That surname name rings a bell to but I'm not at home to check).

Re Marriage Certificate of Lola McKay and John Cameron in 1888. If Lola was underage  she was born 1867 or later. This birth date conflicts with the age of Lola McKay who was married to Arthur Smart, given her age recorded on her children's birth certificates, although varying, are
as follows: She is 29 on birth certificate of Elizabeth Smart, born 1900. She is 33 on Reginald Smarts birth certificate in 1908. This makes her birth year between 1871-1875.

Denise.

[dheath14]

Just found who w j morris is whose address is on NAA records of Archibald Cameron..... Florence Cameron married William J Morris at Forbes NSW Reg 8415/1910.

Denise

[sparrett]

Yes. That's right the letter inquiring about her brother is from Florence MORRIS.

Mary Lola was the informant for the birth of Florence and stated her age as 39 in 1900.
Was she also informant for the other children?
Sue

ADDING Actually, it could be badly written 2 meaning 29.
Makes more sense I think.

[dheath14]

I don't have the birth certificates of any of the Smart children  but the ones I refer to are on Findagrave. And yes they can be difficult to decipher!

Govt Gazette in NSW list Sheep brand marks and transfers: In 1891 there is a Lola McKay at The Oaks Forbes, who is the transferror and the receiver is Albert McKay.

In 1889 she is also listed as a sheep owner by the same name and address,

But Lola McKay married John Cameron as a minor in Dec 1888. So now I am thinking there may well be 2 Lola McKays.

Have to go now, but will continue this tomorrow.

Denise.

[Dundee]

Re Marriage Certificate of Lola McKay and John Cameron in 1888. If Lola was underage  she was born 1867 or later. This birth date conflicts with the age of Lola McKay who was married to Arthur Smart, given her age recorded on her children's birth certificates, although varying, are
as follows: She is 29 on birth certificate of Elizabeth Smart, born 1900. She is 33 on Reginald Smarts birth certificate in 1908. This makes her birth year between 1871-1875.

Denise.

No it doesn't.  She was aged under 21 in 1888 so could have been born 1871 (She is 29 on birth certificate of Elizabeth Smart, born 1900).  Aging just 4 years in 8 years when Reginald was born is a bit of a stretch though, she was probably just putting her age down as she got older.

Govt Gazette in NSW list Sheep brand marks and transfers: In 1891 there is a Lola McKay at The Oaks Forbes, who is the transferror and the receiver is Albert McKay.

In 1889 she is also listed as a sheep owner by the same name and address,

But Lola McKay married John Cameron as a minor in Dec 1888. So now I am thinking there may well be 2 Lola McKays.

Denise.

These records would have been documented before her marriage and would stay in the same name.

Debra 

[Mummybear1]

Florence Smart death certificate i just got
 death certificate show Florence was 38 when she dies
Also, it shows she 19 when she marry Harold also
I believe she wasn't born in Forbes she may have been born Victoria Ballarat

I do know Thomas and William was young when mother dies

I think her name was Lola McKay not Mary Lola McKay

So hard without Lola Mckay birth page  i also got Lola McKay and john married certificate she under age 21

[Dundee]

Florence Smart death certificate i just got death certificate show Florence was 38 when she dies
Also, it shows she 19 when she marry Harold also

You know these ages are wrong because she was born in 1902 and married in 1923.

I believe she wasn't born in Forbes she may have been born Victoria Ballarat

Who said she was born in Forbes or Ballarat?

23493/1902
SMART, FLORENCE
Father: ARTHUR
Mother: MARY L
Birth registered at MANLY

....or are you talking about Lola?

Debra