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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #9 on: Friday 06 September 24 08:54 BST (UK) »
I have mixed feelings about this. If a mass grave containing my child or sibling had been uncovered, I think I would find that very disturbing, and may prefer the burial place not to be revealed.  :-\

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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #10 on: Friday 06 September 24 09:12 BST (UK) »
Not sure if still birth babies parents get the offer of how they would liked their loved one to rest, a cousin was told her baby would be put  in with a female,  they chose that, their choice  and no one can criticise them for what they decide to do at such a sad time.

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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #11 on: Friday 06 September 24 09:28 BST (UK) »
Not got all the details of this but quite a while back part of Philips’Park Cemetery
was dug up to accommodate the revised plans for M/c City Etihad Stadium .
Part was a Cemetery for new borns ,and stillbirths.
Just behind the Right side gate house as you enter past the office ,behind the lovely war memorial.
I am not exactly sure but people were upset as the promises made re respect and reburial etc seem not to have been kept .
I think also part of the “ Paupers” burial area too ,if so it is possible the grave if one of the heroes of “Rorke’s Drift” —- Zulu, was also disturbed.
He was a poor man and had sold his medals.
I know parents were very upset as now their babies were in a mass grave.
I have searched but no exact report found as yet ,I only get The Manchester Evening News on Saturdays as it has a good puzzle section , and this was some years ago .
I can remember one woman on the T.V. Northern News was,  quite understandably, really upset as seemingly bulldozers were used!

Not much respect there.
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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #12 on: Friday 13 September 24 08:12 BST (UK) »
My mum had twins in 1972 and they survived for 14 days, after alot of research, i have been informed that they are buried in area 575 at philips park cemetery. With other babies. My parents did not no what happened to them. It must have been devastating for them. Sadly my parents are no longer with us. So they never got to know.






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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 08 February 25 19:07 GMT (UK) »
My mum had twins in 1972 and they survived for 14 days, after alot of research, i have been informed that they are buried in area 575 at philips park cemetery. With other babies. My parents did not no what happened to them. It must have been devastating for them. Sadly my parents are no longer with us. So they never got to know.
Update. I have found the grave of the twins and they are buried with 2 adults and 49 other babies.

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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 08 February 25 20:18 GMT (UK) »
The Stillbirths Register is not online, and not viewable by the public UNLESS a close link can be proved.
I went through all this some 10 or 11 years ago.
I needed the Stillbirth certificate of my mother's twin sister - trying to prove to Guinness World Records of our claim to "Most Successive Generations Of Twins" We were successful!

My findings were checked by a Professional Genealogist. :D
And accepted by GWR.

Those wanting a Stillbirth Certificate must first contact GRO at Southport and explain the reason for wanting same.
10/11 years ago,my first contact was by phone.
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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 08 February 25 20:37 GMT (UK) »
There was a section on the BBC about this man who was searching for his stillborn daughter’s grave.

The programme included an interview with him where he stated that there is no record of the still birth and no record of a grave.

It was only by chance that he found the record that gave him the sex of his stillborn child.

I’d hate to think how parents today are now treated by the constantly underfire NHS is cases like this.

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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 09 February 25 11:38 GMT (UK) »
In the 1860s and 70s my gt-grandparents had 10 children, 5 of whom were stillborn. My grandfather was the only boy to survive.  Apparently the older sisters were sent to the cemetery each time with the remains of these children "in a cigar box", according to family legend, and were instructed to ask the sexton to place these stillborn babies in a grave along with someone being buried.  I have a scrap of paper on which the dates of birth and the names of these babies were written by my gt-grandfather, but we do not know in which graves they were buried. It was sad to see that each little one had been given one or two forenames, so recorded as a person in the family's minds.
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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 09 February 25 11:49 GMT (UK) »
Oh gosh, sad times, I do wonder if family had the means for what could be called a proper funeral or burial.
They were recorded with kindness having been given names, I am convinced my grandmother  must have had a still born child, it is recorded  on 1911 children she had 1 more child that was registered or baptised,  my father knew the names of all of his siblings who were born and registered, 1 wasn't,  unfortunately  the family Bible disappeared.

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