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This is outrageous, positively medieval
« on: Thursday 05 September 24 13:57 BST (UK) »
A mass grave in Oldham containing more than 300 bodies, including babies and children, has been uncovered.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mn714gr1no

So many people must have been complicit.

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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 September 24 14:16 BST (UK) »
At least they were buried - not just "disposed of". 

Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 September 24 16:28 BST (UK) »
A relative of mine had a still born child about 1946 ish, I managed to get the certificate by getting I touch with the GRO  but that was in relatively  recent times.

A sad story but as BB   said at least they were buried.

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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 September 24 16:32 BST (UK) »
I have to admit that I didn't realise, until now, that stillborn births had to be registered.   :'( :'(
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 September 24 16:40 BST (UK) »
There is a separate register apparently held by the GRO, I did have details of a burial  but not the actual death certificate so perhaps I was one step ahead and knew something about the child.

I don't know when this register started, I am sure someone on RC    might know but it is worth bearing  in mind.

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 September 24 17:29 BST (UK) »
I'm sorry, I don't feel outrage.  Just great surprise that it has happened relatively recently.  Nor would I wish to be associated with any witch-hunt which might follow.
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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 September 24 17:56 BST (UK) »
By 'uncovered' do they mean that a formerly unknown mass grave has been discovered or that information about the mass grave has just been discovered?

From the linked article
It also suggests records and documents about the burials should be made more accessible and digitalised.

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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 September 24 18:24 BST (UK) »
There were many good things, and people, in mediaeval times!!

I'd just like to point that out please...... ;) :)

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Re: This is outrageous, positively medieval
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 September 24 19:21 BST (UK) »
Quote from: louisa maud on Thursday 05 September 24 16:40 BST (UK)
There is a separate register apparently held by the GRO, I did have details of a burial  but not the actual death certificate so perhaps I was one step ahead and knew something about the child.

I don't know when this register started, I am sure someone on RC    might know but it is worth bearing  in mind.

LM
1927, according to the late Guy Etchells. He made a Historic Still Births register which used to be available for £4 from his website (or as a CDROM)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=747965.msg5954965#msg5954965
The archived page below still has a Paypal link but I doubt it will work. It doesn't include any entries from the Civil register which is closed, and can only be consulted for certificates by parents or surviving siblings if both parents are deceased.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200221211802/http://anguline.co.uk/stillbirths.html
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