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James Spence of Woolwich - occupation 1750's?
« on: Tuesday 03 September 24 16:11 BST (UK) »
Can anyone suggest resources to find the occupation of an individual.  James Spence "of this parish" of St. Mary Magdalene in Woolwich and married to Mary Drew - I have found marriage and baptism records, but no indication on any of those records of his occupation, and, no indication of his place of birth, although the imputed year of birth from his death record indicates he was born about 1731.  I am looking for any clue as to his origin.  If I could nail down that he was a shipwright or some other occupation associated with the shipyard, it might help, and I am trying to avoid the goose chase of hiring research at Kew.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Re: James Spence of Woolwich - occupation 1750's?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 03 September 24 17:33 BST (UK) »
How certain are you that he was born in 1731?

Here is a James Spence, Shipwright at Woolwich, in 1748.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10732787
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs

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Re: James Spence of Woolwich - occupation 1750's?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 03 September 24 19:57 BST (UK) »
Fairly certain he was born circa 1731 based on a Deptford death record, calculated his given age (always approximate) at time of death and it brings me back to 1731-ish.  Thanks for the link to the online record, he married 1754 in Woolwich. 
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Re: James Spence of Woolwich - occupation 1750's?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 September 24 20:03 BST (UK) »
Marriage 1756 (not 1754) to Mary Drew of Plumstead, James Spence "of this parish" St. Mary Magdalene.    Burial record 13 Mar 1813 at Deptford St. Nicholas at age 82.
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Re: James Spence of Woolwich - occupation 1750's?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 03 September 24 20:05 BST (UK) »
1731 vs 1748 not enough time to be titled shipwright worthy of a helper, I suspect it may be his father who is noted in that 1748 record.  Now I am wondering if the dockyard would put his son on the books as an apprentice/helper.  It's a possible lead.  Thanks again!
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Re: James Spence of Woolwich - occupation 1750's?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 September 24 20:12 BST (UK) »
Another potential from Kew records, again possibly indicating a father-son sequence, from 1776:

"Date: 1776 Mar 27   
Samuel Seddon, Piccadilly. He has orders to prosecute Armadoe Limbery and James Spence for having HM's stores in his possession or for stealing lead from the Thunderer. The former was sentenced to pay a fine and to remain in gaol until it was paid. James Spence indicted and tried for stealing lead, although he confessed in writing, signed before Justice Jones, and committed to gaol, he was proved at the trial by Lawrance Storekeeper of Woolwich and was found not guilty."
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Stroh Bach Tyler Marriott Tilley Spence Smith Fudge Gilbert Taylor Winsor Zeitz Fueller Schenk Weigand Haupt
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