Samuel Thomas Morton - Clonegam Church, Portlaw, Waterford

[steviepeas]

Samuel Thomas Morton, born Curraghmore 1843, baptised Clonegam 1843,I have a note of the birth and baptism, but lacking and info on marriage, death etc Samuel Thomas Morton - son to Edward and Martha Morton, siblings, Johnston and Fanny. any help much appreciated

[CaroleW]

Have you looked on Irish Genealogy?  He may not have survived infancy

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/irish-records-what-is-available/civil-records

Tree on Ancestry shows both siblings died in England so have you checked English & Scottish records?

[steviepeas]

Thanks, I have looked without success,.

[CaroleW]

There is a Samuel Morton b 1843 Ireland on the Scottish 1891.  Wife Cecelia also born Ireland.  Samuel appears to have died 1894. 

Have you already eliminated him as your Samuel?

No marriage in Scotland so must have married Ireland

Looking at children's births - Cecelia was nee Fox

IGNORE ABOVE - MARRIAGE CERT IS ON IRISH GENEALOGY & HIS FATHER WAS SAMUEL

[steviepeas]

Thanks for the info re Samuel, Irish records are quite a challenge> there are some parish records but no one seems to know where they are. hey ho!

[aghadowey]

Thanks for the info re Samuel, Irish records are quite a challenge> there are some parish records but no one seems to know where they are. hey ho!

There are lots of Irish records online (free) and they aren't that big a secret. You haven't mentioned what religion your Morton family were- 'parish records' can be Catholic or Church of Ireland.

There is an online Presbyterian marriage for a Johnston Morton (father Edward) in Clonmel, Tipperary with one of the witnesses a Fanny Morton but it's 1848-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1848/09346/5383960.pdf

This may be the same Fanny Morton marrying herself about a week later in a Church of Ireland ceremony-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1848/09344/5383497.pdf

[steviepeas]

Hi, yes I have those marriages and they are Johnston and his Sister Fanny both marrying within days of each other. In the Portlaw/Clonagam records I have, Johnston appears as witness to 4 marriages in Clonagam church and Samuel is baptised there in 1843. I can’t find Edward Morton’s marriage  to his wife Martha or any death, any baptisms of Fanny or Johnston. I know they existed and I have sound records for them in later life when Johnston migrated the Birkenhead/Liverpool and Fanny lived her days out in Hampshire,  just very little of their days before their marriages in Ireland.

[aghadowey]

You still haven't mentioned what religion the Morton family were 

Are you sure that Samuel bapt. 1843 is a brother of that Johnston and Fanny? It is quite a big age gap. Those two marriages in 1848 didn't give ages, which you probably already have found from other records, but if at least 21 years old (full age) then born 1827 or earlier. Therefore, it's quite likely that parents Edward and Martha could have been born early 1800s or earlier, they married before 1827 and might have died before 1864 thus not found in any vital records (registration of births, deaths & Catholic marriages from 1864 and non-Catholic marriages from 1845). It's also possible that one or both of the parents eventually moved to England or Scotland to be near family.

[steviepeas]

The family were not catholic, the 2 marriages were in Protestant churches, st Nicholas in Carrick on suir and the Scots church in Clonmel. Clonagam is a country church serving mixed denomination, so I’m pretty sure they were not Catholic. The baptism for Samuel in Clonagam, references his mother Martha and father Edward Morton as working on the Curraghmore Estate. The siblings both died in England the. Fanny married the soldier who was later wounded at the battle of the Redan, they secured employment at the Royal Victoria Hospital in Hound, Hampshire, Fanny is buried in Hampshire and I have traced her family to the present, Johnston moved to Birkenhead with his first wife and after a bigamy and a further marriage bore my grandfather and died in Liverpool. I am his direct descendant. I’m just interested in the Ireland phase of their lives and that of the career of Edward Morton he is referenced as a Sergeant in the Irish Constabulary on one marriage certificate and there is a Sergeant by the same name in several press reports stationed  at Newinn. I just need to tie it all together.