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Did William have a Methodist baptism?
« on: Friday 23 August 24 11:04 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Rootschat experts, for vital past help! I’m now trying to check if a village child, with a distinctive name, had a Methodist baptism. His parents were John Thomas Lidget Thompson and Mary Ann Thompson. (N.B. For complex reasons, his mother’s maiden name may be given as BORRILL (or variants) or BLOW.) Willie Borrill Thompson’s birth was registered in 1886 (July-Sept) in Gainsborough District p.722 Vol 7A. Date of birth in 1939 Register for Willoughton, Lincs: 5 June 1886. He was named as William Borrill Thompson in a 1962 newspaper after he died in Willoughton. The Willoughton (church) Baptism Register is available for the 1880s via FindmyPast, but I can’t see this child. (1911 Census: the couple had 8 children, & sadly lost 3.) There are church baptisms for Sarah Ann (Bishop Norton, 1877) John, & James (Willoughton, 1880, 1895). My free sub to Family Search yields this possible ref. for Willie. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XF4-VQVH The transcript details match (tho’ 2nd name is Burrill) but no village is given. Do you have access to an image of this record, please? If so, can you confirm that this is a Willoughton child – and is it a Methodist baptism? I’m very keen to know, as I’d like to write about the Primitive Methodists, a huge force in my Victorian village! Many thanks!






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Re: Did William have a Methodist baptism?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 August 24 15:53 BST (UK) »
Sorry but your post was hard to read

Thank you, Rootschat experts, for vital past help! I’m now trying to check if a village child, with a distinctive name, had a Methodist baptism.

His parents were John Thomas Lidget Thompson and Mary Ann Thompson. (N.B. For complex reasons, his mother’s maiden name may be given as BORRILL (or variants) or BLOW.)

Willie Borrill Thompson’s birth was registered in 1886 (July-Sept) in Gainsborough District p.722 Vol 7A. Date of birth in 1939 Register for Willoughton, Lincs: 5 June 1886.
He was named as William Borrill Thompson in a 1962 newspaper after he died in Willoughton.

The Willoughton (church) Baptism Register is available for the 1880s via FindmyPast, but I can’t see this child. (1911 Census: the couple had 8 children, & sadly lost 3.) There are church baptisms for Sarah Ann (Bishop Norton, 1877)
John, & James (Willoughton, 1880, 1895).

My free sub to Family Search yields this possible ref. for Willie. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XF4-VQVH The transcript details match (tho’ 2nd name is Burrill) but no village is given.

Do you have access to an image of this record, please? If so, can you confirm that this is a Willoughton child – and is it a Methodist baptism? I’m very keen to know, as I’d like to write about the Primitive Methodists, a huge force in my Victorian village! Many thanks!

The GRO index has this for the registration of his birth
THOMPSON, WILLIE  BORRILL     mmn BORRILL 
GRO Reference: 1886  Sept Quarter in OF GAINSBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 722
 
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Re: Did William have a Methodist baptism?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 August 24 16:17 BST (UK) »
Would be better if your post was on the Lincolnshire board so I have asked the moderator to move it for you
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Re: Did William have a Methodist baptism?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 August 24 17:07 BST (UK) »

He was named as William Borrill Thompson in a 1962 newspaper in Willoughton after he died.

The Lincolnshire Echo 29th December 1962 and The Gainsborough Evening News 1st January 1963 named him as Willie Borrill Thompson

His death was also registered as Willie
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Re: Did William have a Methodist baptism?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 August 24 22:13 BST (UK) »
Sorry but your post was hard to read

Thank you, Rootschat experts, for vital past help! I’m now trying to check if a village child, with a distinctive name, had a Methodist baptism.

His parents were John Thomas Lidget Thompson and Mary Ann Thompson. (N.B. For complex reasons, his mother’s maiden name may be given as BORRILL (or variants) or BLOW.)

Willie Borrill Thompson’s birth was registered in 1886 (July-Sept) in Gainsborough District p.722 Vol 7A. Date of birth in 1939 Register for Willoughton, Lincs: 5 June 1886.
He was named as William Borrill Thompson in a 1962 newspaper after he died in Willoughton.

The Willoughton (church) Baptism Register is available for the 1880s via FindmyPast, but I can’t see this child. (1911 Census: the couple had 8 children, & sadly lost 3.) There are church baptisms for Sarah Ann (Bishop Norton, 1877)
John, & James (Willoughton, 1880, 1895).

My free sub to Family Search yields this possible ref. for Willie. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XF4-VQVH The transcript details match (tho’ 2nd name is Burrill) but no village is given.

Do you have access to an image of this record, please? If so, can you confirm that this is a Willoughton child – and is it a Methodist baptism? I’m very keen to know, as I’d like to write about the Primitive Methodists, a huge force in my Victorian village! Many thanks!

The GRO index has this for the registration of his birth
THOMPSON, WILLIE  BORRILL     mmn BORRILL 
GRO Reference: 1886  Sept Quarter in OF GAINSBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 722

Thank you! Very interesting that this version of William's mother's maiden name was used here! Very best wishes!

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Re: Did William have a Methodist baptism?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 August 24 22:19 BST (UK) »
Would be better if your post was on the Lincolnshire board so I have asked the moderator to move it for you

Thank you! That is most helpful. I was not sure of the best board to use for this one. I am sure Rootschat has experts on Lincolnshire Methodist records. I look forward to replies. Grateful best wishes!

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Re: Did William have a Methodist baptism?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 August 24 22:35 BST (UK) »

He was named as William Borrill Thompson in a 1962 newspaper in Willoughton after he died.

The Lincolnshire Echo 29th December 1962 and The Gainsborough Evening News 1st January 1963 named him as Willie Borrill Thompson

His death was also registered as Willie

Thank you! It's very interesting how full names and abbreviations both appear in official documents (and press reports). His family also used both versions of his first name (at different times) in Censuses. Thank you very much for your time!

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Re: Did William have a Methodist baptism?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 25 August 24 13:56 BST (UK) »
Cant seen to see his bapt either except what you posted;

Can find John Thomas 1880/James Arthur 1895 in Willoughton
+ Walter Sydney Dennis Thompson 18 Sep 1900

James Arthur buried 27 Mar 1897 age 21 mths

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I presume you have the Marriage of Mary LIDGETT/Isaac THOMPSON.

1861 Census
Thomas Borrell 65 Head Ag Lab
Mary Ann Borrell 25 Wife
Mary Ann Borrell 1 Daughter

FreeBMD has a 1860 Marriage Thomas BURRILL/Mary Ann BLOW on same page

GEORGE Burrell bapt    01 Sep 1854 Willoughton
Illeg Son of Mary BLOW and Thomas BURRELL
Father a Labourer/Servant
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MARY Blow bapt same place, Daug of MARY ANN Blow, illegitimate

Trish :)
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Re: Did William have a Methodist baptism?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 26 August 24 17:18 BST (UK) »
Cant seen to see his bapt either except what you posted;

Can find John Thomas 1880/James Arthur 1895 in Willoughton
+ Walter Sydney Dennis Thompson 18 Sep 1900

James Arthur buried 27 Mar 1897 age 21 mths

All on FreeREG

I presume you have the Marriage of Mary LIDGETT/Isaac THOMPSON.

1861 Census
Thomas Borrell 65 Head Ag Lab
Mary Ann Borrell 25 Wife
Mary Ann Borrell 1 Daughter

FreeBMD has a 1860 Marriage Thomas BURRILL/Mary Ann BLOW on same page

GEORGE Burrell bapt    01 Sep 1854 Willoughton
Illeg Son of Mary BLOW and Thomas BURRELL
Father a Labourer/Servant
+
MARY Blow bapt same place, Daug of MARY ANN Blow, illegitimate

Trish :)


Thank you very much for your time and your meticulous list of records! It is a great help to know that you, too, can't access the original baptism record for Willie. I am particularly grateful for your list of the baptised Thompson children from the parish register, as I was afraid I might have overlooked some. I am also grateful for your list of the associated records for this family as, again, I was afraid I might have missed some. It is a very interesting family, which in many ways runs completely counter to pre-conceived ideas people might have about Victorian villagers... Thank you very much for helping me build up an accurate picture. Finally - I wouldn't normally venture to comment on this, but it is so relevant to my query - what a lovely photograph! Thank you again very much for your time.