Newcastle Emlyn - Thomas Family

[Glynazard]

You found Alice!

My Uncle believes that Martha was Ivy's Great-Aunt. Unsure whether that was on Ivy's Mother's or Father's side though.

Do we know if Alice was Ivy's mother after all? There's definitely a link as my Grandmother once told him that Ivy had a half-sister called Mima.

If so, is it looking increasingly likely that Ivy was born illegitimately, was raised by Martha for  time before being returned to Alice?

[Glynazard]

Alice b 1892
Ivy b 1910

Would have made Alice 18 when she had Ivy.

There's an odd entry on Ancestry that has a Henry Williams listed as Ivy's father, but I'm unsure how accurate that is.

[Cas (stallc)]

I guess DNA testing may help prove or disprove your uncles info. 

Although what has been found it seems to have occurred with the marriage info provided by him...how would he know unless it had been passed on to him.

Alice died 1939 just before the 1939 register. Thomas Hollis & Mima Foan are at same address. Mima marries in 1940 to Nathaniel S Rees.

Good luck, hope you are able to sort it.

Cas

[Glynazard]

Thanks, Cas!

[Mabel Bagshawe]

William Bateman has a bit of a chequered history

1892 - running a shebeen
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3724294/3724298/49/william%2BOR%2Bbateman%2BAND%2Bdruggist

1893 - gave bad advice in the events which led to a young woman's death
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3729969/3729973/52/william%2BOR%2Bbateman%2BAND%2Bdruggist

The connection must be on Martha's side, as William doesn't appear to have any siblings

[Mabel Bagshawe]

There's an odd entry on Ancestry that has a Henry Williams listed as Ivy's father, but I'm unsure how accurate that is.

It's not. Henry Williams is the person that William, Martha and Ivy are visiting in 1911. Ancestry (or someone  who has a tree on it?) has for some reason taken him to be the father

[Mabel Bagshawe]

It looks like Martha died in 1924 - she are William are living in Cross St, Bargoed and her last entry on the electoral register i for that year. There's a death registered in Merthyr with dob 1858 - slightly out but probably her.

Might that have been the trigger for Ivy going to live with her birth mother?

[Glynazard]

Oh, I didn't realise they'd moved to Bargoed but that certainly seems like a reasonable explanation.

Does it say what number they lived at in Cross Street?

[Glynazard]

William Bateman has a bit of a chequered history

1892 - running a shebeen
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3724294/3724298/49/william%2BOR%2Bbateman%2BAND%2Bdruggist

1893 - gave bad advice in the events which led to a young woman's death
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3729969/3729973/52/william%2BOR%2Bbateman%2BAND%2Bdruggist

The connection must be on Martha's side, as William doesn't appear to have any siblings

Mabel, did Martha have any siblings? My Uncle believes that William and Martha were Ivy's Uncle and Aunt.

My best guess in that case is that maybe Ivy's father was Martha's brother?

Might explain Ivy having the Bateman surname as Martha had married William by then, and as you say, William had no siblings.

Maybe Ivy took William's surname as the man of the house, rather than her potential father's surname which would have been Lewis.

I can't see another explanation as to why Ivy ended up with William and Martha.