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Re: The Fletcher family of Lenton
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 28 August 24 15:12 BST (UK) »
As I said when I first posted, this was "supposedly". I don't know the source as I got this from a historian who has been doing Genealogy 30 years, his surname is also Fletcher, so you would hope he had a ventured interest in getting it correct. He is American, so maybe I should have rolled my eyes and said, 'Americans' in the condescending way we British do things.

Fleche is Arrow in French there is no equivalent of 'Fletcher' as Arrower isn't a word. There is also a town called La Flech.  Perhaps it's Fléchère, as a Jean Guillaume de La Fléchère (1729–1785) anglicized his name to John William Fletcher. Also I am sure people changed thier professions, maybe not as easy as one does today but accidents happen, peoples circumstances changed. Can't Fletch anymore if you lost a hand or a few fingers in a accident.

Personally, I would rather not be French decent or even have a French influenced surname picked for my ancestor 1000 years ago by some entitled bastard.

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Re: The Fletcher family of Lenton
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 28 August 24 15:26 BST (UK) »
Mike, you seem to be expecting that the thesis is online, but I don't know.  If you are keen to read it, perhaps the best hope would be to contact the university.

I seem to recall that Lenton Local History Group had some kind of contact with the author, but that was many years ago.  You could try them.

All postgrad theses have a copy deposited with the British Library.  Unfortunately they are still affected by a cyber attack, but someone there should be able to help.
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Re: The Fletcher family of Lenton
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 28 August 24 17:19 BST (UK) »
I can't guarantee that it was a postgrad thesis and wouldn't want you to waste your time if it was not.
I think the best point of contact is Lenton Local History Group, which is how I got my copy.  If they can't help, I don't know what to suggest.

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Re: The Fletcher family of Lenton
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 28 August 24 19:56 BST (UK) »
I did an author search at the British Library and nothing relevant came up.  As you say, it might not have been a postgrad thesis.

Good luck with the local history soc.
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Re: The Fletcher family of Lenton
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 29 August 24 11:12 BST (UK) »
Hello all,
Still stuck on this one but i will try to get in touch with the Lenton history group and see if they can help.
Regarding the Fletcher Name, I have been researching for around 35 years, yes i have made many mistakes and learned from them. I have also found many a document, some snippets of which has been posted by Delabane.
Here is something I had to translate from french using google translate, Jean de la Fleche was possibly decended from the Fletchers from Scotland who went on the first crusade. On their way back they decided to settle in France, hence Jean de la Fleche.

Interestingly, I also found that although de la Fleche helped fund William the Conquerer's conquest of England, they never set foot in England until the 1100's.
Please correct me if i am wrong, i will try to find the document again which is in French and post if I find it.
Kind Regards all
Mike Fletcher
Fletcher, Lofthouse, Tressider, Dale, Jackson, McAllister, Beaton, McInnes, Comrie, Laird, Buchanan

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Re: The Fletcher family of Lenton
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 29 August 24 13:49 BST (UK) »
Hello all,
Still stuck on this one but i will try to get in touch with the Lenton history group and see if they can help.
Regarding the Fletcher Name, I have been researching for around 35 years, yes i have made many mistakes and learned from them. I have also found many a document, some snippets of which has been posted by Delabane.
Here is something I had to translate from french using google translate, Jean de la Fleche was possibly descended from the Fletchers from Scotland who went on the first crusade. On their way back they decided to settle in France, hence Jean de la Fleche.

Interestingly, I also found that although de la Fleche helped fund William the Conquerer's conquest of England, they never set foot in England until the 1100's.
Please correct me if i am wrong, i will try to find the document again which is in French and post if I find it.
Kind Regards all
Mike Fletcher

Interesting,

I read that a Scottish Fletcher (possibly descended from a Sir Bernard Fletcher, who himself was descended from Jean de la Fleche/Elias I de la Fleche) had gone over to France and they had become de La Fléchère (also known as La Fléchère de Beauregard) settled in the county of Savoy in the thirteenth century and later became Counts of Alex and Veyrier-Châtillon. They resided at castle of Beauregard until 2004. In the 18th century  Jean Guillaume de La Fléchère (1729–1785), Anglican priest, theologian and Methodist saint immigrated to Britain and anglicized his name to John William Fletcher.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famille_de_La_Fl%C3%A9ch%C3%A8re

I have read that the first recording of what became the 'Fletcher' surname was from Jean de la Fleche. He was born Jean de Beaugency, where his father was Seigneur (lord) Lancelin I de Beaugency. His older brother, Lancelin II was given Beaugency and Jean was given La Fleche (they are about 90 miles apart) and became its Seigneur.

He is then referred to as Jean de la Fleche, to reflect the town of La Fleche which is what the Normans often did after the Conquest when they got land in England, they often changed their surname to reflect this. Sometimes they changed it to reflect the land they had come from in Normandy, eg Seymour surname is from St. Maur, in Normandy. Jean de la Fletch was given land in England by King William I and supposedly some of his or his sons (Elias I de la Fleche, Count of Maine) dependents (one being a Sir Bernard Fletcher) settle in northern England and later Scotland, where they are given land by King David of Scotland. Some of them however stay in France.

I am stuck finding out the father of my own great great great grandfather (1770s) is, so have not even begone to go this far back! I just find Medieval history more interesting then Victorian! :)

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Re: The Fletcher family of Lenton
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 29 August 24 13:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Ben,
Thats the one, i have started having a look for you and have posted on your Fletchers of North/South Leverton. I will see what i can find.
Regards
Mike Fletcher
Fletcher, Lofthouse, Tressider, Dale, Jackson, McAllister, Beaton, McInnes, Comrie, Laird, Buchanan

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Re: The Fletcher family of Lenton
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 29 August 24 14:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Ben,
Thats the one, i have started having a look for you and have posted on your Fletchers of North/South Leverton. I will see what i can find.
Regards
Mike Fletcher

Many thanks for your assistance! I been stuck on this for 2 years so a fresh set of eyes might see something I missed!

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Re: The Fletcher family of Lenton
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 29 August 24 14:45 BST (UK) »
Hello Mike,

If you are interested in the Beaugency family, who appear to be the progenitors of the Fletchers, there is a good website:

https://routledgetextbooks.com/textbooks/medievalportal/9781138677098.php

There is also a book Medieval Lives C.1000-1292 The World of the Beaugency Family by Amy Livingstone. Ralph I de Beaugency (Jean de la Fleche's nephew) was a famous crusader in the first crusades (it was a massacre really) who married the niece of the King of France due to his reputation.