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Re: What does "wortle" mean?
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 13 August 24 18:48 BST (UK) »
I think Drosybont might be on track with the "whortle berry picking" in reply #5.

There are numerous mentions in the newspapers about these berries, and for the most part, they spell it "wortle", and commonly it was children picking them when school was out.  It was seasonal though, so if Mr. Smith was paying her for more than whatever the season was, it wouldn't work out.
The attached uses the spelling "whortle", but most mentions drop the "h".

Theses whortles sound like they mainly grow on moors; not sure where Mr. Smith lived?

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Re: What does "wortle" mean?
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 13 August 24 18:59 BST (UK) »
I don't know...Going back to the Oakland advert,it say's a whortle girl is needed for housework.
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Re: What does "wortle" mean?
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 13 August 24 19:58 BST (UK) »
Whortleberry is a regional name for the Whinberry ,often mis pronounced as Wimberry.
They grow on Whins , strong shortish springy stalks .
In Shropshire it was a way of augmenting the family income.
Women and children went up the hills and picked baskets full.
A trader would be waiting for the pickers who would expect a price .sadly that often had dropped from the one promised before the women set out ,a real cheat.
The money earned bought new boots for the older children whose outgrown ones were passed down to siblings , and candles, lamp oil and new wicks, for the dark nights.
Small baskets were used as they are very tender and squash easily.
The Stiperstones Range was very rich and also for cranberries,not the Ocean Spray sort,they need water in which to grow.
A bright red berry which grew among the Whinberries on stalks with very different leaves to the Whinberry ones.They are lovely but need oodles of sugar.I used to get just enough to make a small saucer tart for my auntie who loved them.
So traders would hire girls to,pick Whinberries ,probably jam making firms .
I can remember that up to the early 1950’s.
After that Polish one’s were imported ,but often were very wet, they are tender little fruit.
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Re: What does "wortle" mean?
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 13 August 24 20:40 BST (UK) »
I don't know...Going back to the Oakland advert,it say's a whortle girl is needed for housework.

Which turned out to be an OCR error


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Re: What does "wortle" mean?
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 13 August 24 20:59 BST (UK) »
I don't know what OCR stands for?
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Re: What does "wortle" mean?
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 13 August 24 21:00 BST (UK) »
OCR = optical character recognition

>>>>>>>>>>>

"I think Drosybont might be on track with the "whortle berry picking" in reply #5."

But you'd think that berry pickers would be paid by the bucket not by the week.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: What does "wortle" mean?
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 13 August 24 21:16 BST (UK) »
OCR = optical character recognition

>>>>>>>>>>>

"I think Drosybont might be on track with the "whortle berry picking" in reply #5."

But you'd think that berry pickers would be paid by the bucket not by the week.

I thought about that, but if "whortle girl" was in a poor/work house, could it be just a little bonus for her, and the rest goes into the general funds?

It still could be a surname, as suggested by ArthurK.  The hunt goes on!

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Re: What does "wortle" mean?
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 14 August 24 09:13 BST (UK) »
The women in Shropshire who picked were paid by weight ,the agreed price per pound weight was as I said often reduced by the trader when the women came down with the last baskets full,a tally was kept and paid at the end that is when the price would be dropped.
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Re: What does "wortle" mean?
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 14 August 24 12:52 BST (UK) »
Bilberries (whortleberries) are highly seasonal, so it seems unlikely that any picker would get a weekly wage, or that the pickers would be known as wortle girls