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Offline patjohn

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Re: Gowans
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 22 August 24 18:50 BST (UK) »
My apologies for the delay. Illness! I am in Scotland, Sorry for the dearth of information originally.
George Bisset Gowans' birth record (October 1910 in Dundee) shows his parents marriage  as June 21st 1902 in Dundee, They were John Nicoll Gowans and Nellie Bisset but no record on Scotland's People. I have checked with them and he definitely did not marry in Scotland. The couple also had 9 other children all born in the Dundee area.

George Bisset Gowans also married in Dundee

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Re: Gowans
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 August 24 23:17 BST (UK) »
Have you found John & Nellie on the 1911 census?  Where & when was she born?  How old is their eldest child?
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Re: Gowans
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 August 24 23:40 BST (UK) »
Quote from: patjohn on Thursday 22 August 24 18:50 BST (UK)

George Bisset Gowans' birth record (October 1910 in Dundee)

George Bisset Gowan's birth was registered in KILMORACK, not Dundee.
Younger sister, Jane, was also born in Kilmorack.

The family in 1911 census is in DORES
John GOWAN 38
Nellie GOWAN 30
Minnie 7
James 3
Jane 1
George 0

Have you looked at the birth certificates of the other children to see what information there is about parents marriage?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Gowans
« Reply #12 on: Friday 23 August 24 00:00 BST (UK) »
John Nicoll Gowans was born 21 June 1869, so his age in 1911 census is not correct.

There is a prison record for him in 1901 Dundee. You would need to see the record to know what this was for, and how long he was in prison.


1921 census was in St Clement Angus
John GOWANS 50
Helen GOWANS 39
Winnie 18
James 13
Jane 12
George 10
Stewart 9
Willie 7
Lizzie 5
John 2
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Gowans
« Reply #13 on: Friday 23 August 24 00:30 BST (UK) »
Minnie Gowans BISSET b 1903 Dundee
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Re: Gowans
« Reply #14 on: Friday 23 August 24 00:33 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Friday 23 August 24 00:00 BST (UK)


There is a prison record for him in 1901 Dundee. You would need to see the record to know what this was for, and how long he was in prison.



Possibly:
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ILL-TREATMENT OF DUNDEE CHILDREN.
 ILL-TREATMENT OF DUNDEE CHILDREN. CARTER CONVICTED. Before Sheriff Campbell Smith at Dundee to-day a carter named John Gowans, 151 Victoria Road, Dundee, denied charge having, between Ist Octobcr and December, wilfully ill-treated his three children,

13 December 1901

Dundee Evening Post

Dundee, Angus, Scotland


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Re: Gowans
« Reply #15 on: Friday 23 August 24 00:36 BST (UK) »
Quote from: CaroleW on Friday 23 August 24 00:30 BST (UK)
Minnie Gowans BISSET b 1903 Dundee

Was going to post the same.
 and also .......

JAMES GOWANS   BISSET
Born 1907
282 / 4 / 1749
ST ANDREW (DUNDEE)


This would imply parents were not married in 1903 or in 1907.

Scotmum's post would suggest he had 3 children in 1901 - so was already married?

Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Gowans
« Reply #16 on: Friday 23 August 24 00:37 BST (UK) »
1901 - ill treating his 3 children yet 1911 shows first child b 1903

He had another family - hence no marriage in 1902 - & reason Minnie was registered as Bisset
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Re: Gowans
« Reply #17 on: Friday 23 August 24 00:41 BST (UK) »
He is single in the 1891 census ....

Possible marriage   ......
GOWAN, JOHN
CAMPBELL, MAGGIE
1891
282 / 1 / 118
ST PETER
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)
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