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« on: Sunday 11 August 24 22:12 BST (UK) »
Looking for a marriage of John Nicoll Gowans and Helen nee Bisset. They are noted on their son's marriage record but cannot trace their marriage anywhere in Scotland.  Any help appreciated

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Re: Gowans
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 August 24 22:18 BST (UK) »
You haven't given any clue as to timescale??
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Re: Gowans
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 August 24 22:33 BST (UK) »
John Nicoll Gowans died 1946 aged 77 so b about 1869.  Have you found him in any census records to establish his birthplace?

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His birth is on SP b Angus
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Re: Gowans
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 August 24 22:47 BST (UK) »
What is the son's name, and where and when was he born?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Gowans
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 August 24 10:38 BST (UK) »
JOHN NICOLL GOWANS 1869 Forfar
mmn NICOLL

1881 census on SP
GOWANS John 13
Dwelling: 5 The Vennel
Forfar, Forfar, Scotland

parents
John GOWANS 43 Sheriff Officer
Ann GOWANS Wife 40

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Gowans
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 August 24 11:28 BST (UK) »
There is a 1956 marriage but only one L in Nicoll

Also 2 births - 1935 & 1952. 

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Re: Gowans
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 August 24 12:02 BST (UK) »
This is the only census I can find for a John of the right age but no marriage in England, maybe he emigrated?

1891
John Gowans 1869 Scotland Boarder Paper Maker.
Benfieldside, Durham

This looks like his father.

Birth/baptism JOHN GOWANS 7/08/1837 Carmyllie
JOHN GOWANS/SUSAN PHILIP

Death JOHN GOWANS 54
mmn PHILIP 1892 Forfar

Maybe his mother but no clear birth/baptism, 1881 states place of birth as Carmyllie. No census after 1881 or marriage to above as far as I can see?

Death ANNIE GOWANS 60
mmn SMITH 1901 Forfar

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Re: Gowans
« Reply #7 on: Monday 12 August 24 12:43 BST (UK) »
Until Patjohn provides clearer information re a time scale plus name of son we may well be wasting our time with suppositions
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Re: Gowans
« Reply #8 on: Monday 12 August 24 12:56 BST (UK) »
Quote from: CaroleW on Monday 12 August 24 12:43 BST (UK)
Until Patjohn provides clearer information re a time scale plus name of son we may well be wasting our time with suppositions
Indeed. It's a bit like looking for a black cat in a coal cellar.

We also need to know when and where the son was born and when and where the son was married, because if he was married somewhere other than Scotland, England or Wales it will provide a clue to whether or not they emigrated and if so where to.

I do so wish that RootsChat required people to put their country of residence in their profiles. We have no idea where Patjohn is - could be anywhere from New Zealand to Alaska via Timbuctoo :)
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