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McKENNA, Patrick & Family - 1800s
« on: Sunday 11 August 24 14:34 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone,

I am currently research my McKenna Family Tree in Tyrone/Monaghan. I can't go further back than Patrick McKenna. Please help me on this side of the family

Here is all the information I have:

My oldest ancestor is Patrick McKenna (Farmer), he was born circa 1810 in Aghaloo or Errigal Truagh. He married circa 1835 in either Aghaloo or Errigal Truagh. He had a daughter named Eleanor about 1841 (death age extracted from 1901, her death date). Eleanor married in 1864 to Patrick Donnelly in St Brigid's in Carnteel (I am descended from her child, Mary Ann). She is listed as being residing in Belragh. It is possible that Patrick McKenna died around here but I have found none being fro Belragh. Also, it is possible that the family is based in Errigal Truagh, a neighburing parish; There are many McKennas from the parish and many graves survive.

Thanks in advance

- Kiernan from County Meath
- Kelly from County Kildare
- Donnelly from County Tyrone
- McKenna from County Tyrone/Moghanan

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Re: McKENNA, Patrick & Family - 1800s
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 August 24 16:48 BST (UK) »
If possible, it is always good to include links to the relevant primary sources to make it easier for others to research for you:

Patrick and Eleanor's marriage:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11601/8269752.pdf

One of the witnesses is a William McKenna, possibly a brother.

Gives Patrick's residence as Sluggin, which leads to this census:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Athenree/Sluggan/1747689/

Giving her a birth year of c.1841, yet her death certificate gives a birth year of c.1831, so she was not consistent:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05728/4616446.pdf

Could you please list all their known children, as naming patterns can often be helpful. Also, do you have the baptism entries for their children, as the godparents are often relatives of the parents.

There is a possible baptism for Eleanor in 1837 in Errigal Truagh, the daughter of Patrick and Bridget. This couple also had a William.

Before you go any further back, it would be a good idea to ensure that you have the correct parents for Eleanor, as I imagine Patrick McKenna was a fairly common name.

Queenie  :)

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Re: McKENNA, Patrick & Family - 1800s
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 August 24 17:04 BST (UK) »
If possible, it is always good to include links to the relevant primary sources to make it easier for others to research for you:

Patrick and Eleanor's marriage:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11601/8269752.pdf

One of the witnesses is a William McKenna, possibly a brother.

Gives Patrick's residence as Sluggin, which leads to this census:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Athenree/Sluggan/1747689/

Giving her a birth year of c.1841, yet her death certificate gives a birth year of c.1831, so she was not consistent:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05728/4616446.pdf

Could you please list all their known children, as naming patterns can often be helpful. Also, do you have the baptism entries for their children, as the godparents are often relatives of the parents.

There is a possible baptism for Eleanor in 1837 in Errigal Truagh, the daughter of Patrick and Bridget. This couple also had a William.

Before you go any further back, it would be a good idea to ensure that you have the correct parents for Eleanor, as I imagine Patrick McKenna was a fairly common name.

Queenie  :)

Regarding Patrick’s known children, I do not know other than Ellen. For but for probable children, here they are:
  • James McKenna - Married in Aughnacloy on November 27th, 1864
  • John McKenna - Married in 1865 or 75
- Kiernan from County Meath
- Kelly from County Kildare
- Donnelly from County Tyrone
- McKenna from County Tyrone/Moghanan

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Re: McKENNA, Patrick & Family - 1800s
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 August 24 17:08 BST (UK) »
If possible, it is always good to include links to the relevant primary sources to make it easier for others to research for you:

Patrick and Eleanor's marriage:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11601/8269752.pdf

One of the witnesses is a William McKenna, possibly a brother.

Gives Patrick's residence as Sluggin, which leads to this census:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Athenree/Sluggan/1747689/

Giving her a birth year of c.1841, yet her death certificate gives a birth year of c.1831, so she was not consistent:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05728/4616446.pdf

Could you please list all their known children, as naming patterns can often be helpful. Also, do you have the baptism entries for their children, as the godparents are often relatives of the parents.

There is a possible baptism for Eleanor in 1837 in Errigal Truagh, the daughter of Patrick and Bridget. This couple also had a William.

Before you go any further back, it would be a good idea to ensure that you have the correct parents for Eleanor, as I imagine Patrick McKenna was a fairly common name.

Queenie  :)

Regarding Patrick’s known children, I do not know other than Ellen. For but for probable children, here they are:
  • James McKenna - Married in Aughnacloy on November 27th, 1864
  • John McKenna - Married in 1865 or 75

Also regarding Ellen, she is listed as age 60 in the 1901 Census. Also, it would be strange that she is older than her husband and married at 30 I was wrong most likely. Newspaper says Ellen Donnelly widow of Patrick died in 1923. However, getting that record is though as it needs to be ordered…
- Kiernan from County Meath
- Kelly from County Kildare
- Donnelly from County Tyrone
- McKenna from County Tyrone/Moghanan


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Re: McKENNA, Patrick & Family - 1800s
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 11 August 24 17:49 BST (UK) »
Sorry I should have been clearer, could you please list all known children of Patrick Donnolly and Eleanor McKenna, who married in 1864. Could you please also link Mary Ann's birth certificate.

He had a daughter named Eleanor about 1841 (death age extracted from 1901, her death date).

So she did not die in 1901? But the informant on the Sluggan death I linked is Peter Donnelly, who is residing with her on the 1901 census I also linked. Don't worry about the age being slightly out; her son may not have known her real age and so just took a guess.

Here's Peter's birth certificate:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03323/2218273.pdf

His father is Patrick Donnelly of Sluggan, whilst his mother is Ellen formerly McKenna. Do you have any reason to believe that there are 2 Patrick Donnellys of Sluggan who married Eleanor/Ellen McKennas? Could you please share as I am getting a bit confused, haha.

Newspaper says Ellen Donnelly widow of Patrick died in 1923. However, getting that record is though as it needs to be ordered…

That's a different lady. Here she is buried with her various family members:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/152505433/ellen-donnelly?

See what I said about common names!

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Re: McKENNA, Patrick & Family - 1800s
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 August 24 17:58 BST (UK) »
Sorry I should have been clearer, could you please list all known children of Patrick Donnolly and Eleanor McKenna, who married in 1864. Could you please also link Mary Ann's birth certificate.

He had a daughter named Eleanor about 1841 (death age extracted from 1901, her death date).

So she did not die in 1901? But the informant on the Sluggan death I linked is Peter Donnelly, who is residing with her on the 1901 census I also linked. Don't worry about the age being slightly out; her son may not have known her real age and so just took a guess.

Here's Peter's birth certificate:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03323/2218273.pdf

His father is Patrick Donnelly of Sluggan, whilst his mother is Ellen formerly McKenna. Do you have any reason to believe that there are 2 Patrick Donnellys of Sluggan who married Eleanor/Ellen McKennas? Could you please share as I am getting a bit confused, haha.

Newspaper says Ellen Donnelly widow of Patrick died in 1923. However, getting that record is though as it needs to be ordered…

That's a different lady. Here she is buried with her various family members:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/152505433/ellen-donnelly?

See what I said about common names!

Children:
Ellen 1869
Sarah Ann 1866
Peter 1870
- Kiernan from County Meath
- Kelly from County Kildare
- Donnelly from County Tyrone
- McKenna from County Tyrone/Moghanan

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Re: McKENNA, Patrick & Family - 1800s
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 August 24 18:47 BST (UK) »
Sorry I should have been clearer, could you please list all known children of Patrick Donnolly and Eleanor McKenna, who married in 1864. Could you please also link Mary Ann's birth certificate.

He had a daughter named Eleanor about 1841 (death age extracted from 1901, her death date).

So she did not die in 1901? But the informant on the Sluggan death I linked is Peter Donnelly, who is residing with her on the 1901 census I also linked. Don't worry about the age being slightly out; her son may not have known her real age and so just took a guess.

Here's Peter's birth certificate:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03323/2218273.pdf

His father is Patrick Donnelly of Sluggan, whilst his mother is Ellen formerly McKenna. Do you have any reason to believe that there are 2 Patrick Donnellys of Sluggan who married Eleanor/Ellen McKennas? Could you please share as I am getting a bit confused, haha.

Newspaper says Ellen Donnelly widow of Patrick died in 1923. However, getting that record is though as it needs to be ordered…

That's a different lady. Here she is buried with her various family members:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/152505433/ellen-donnelly?

See what I said about common names!

Also, I am looking for the McKennas, not the Donnelly’s. About Patrick
- Kiernan from County Meath
- Kelly from County Kildare
- Donnelly from County Tyrone
- McKenna from County Tyrone/Moghanan

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Re: McKENNA, Patrick & Family - 1800s
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 August 24 19:22 BST (UK) »
Children:
Ellen 1869
Sarah Ann 1866
Peter 1870

and Mary Ann also? When was she born?

Have you found baptisms for these children? Baptisms can be invaluable as they provide the names of the godparents, who are often relatives (as I have stated above).

Also, I am looking for the McKennas, not the Donnelly’s. About Patrick

I understand that, but you need to know everything you can about Eleanor, including the names of all her children, and information about her siblings, before you go back to her father. How could you know that you are researching the correct Patrick McKenna, if you have no other context?

You state that:
My oldest ancestor is Patrick McKenna (Farmer), he was born circa 1810 in Aghaloo or Errigal Truagh. He married circa 1835 in either Aghaloo or Errigal Truagh. He had a daughter named Eleanor about 1841 (death age extracted from 1901, her death date).

But you don't offer any sources for this, so I am trying to take a step back to establish what sources are available and what they tell us. I suggested that Eleanor may have been the daughter of a Patrick and Bridget McKenna in Errigal Truagh, but I wanted to try and provide confirmation of this by using the names of Eleanor's children and trying to find the names of Eleanor's known siblings to see if Patrick and Bridget had baptised children with these names. For example, Eleanor's marriage was witnessed by a William, this could suggest that she had a sibling called William. However, she had no daughter called Bridget, which may be expected if her mother had been Bridget. Essentially, trying to find more records to establish links between her and other McKennas in the area. I can see that there was certainly more than 1 Patrick McKenna in the area at the time of Eleanor's birth.

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Re: McKENNA, Patrick & Family - 1800s
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 11 August 24 19:50 BST (UK) »
Children:
Ellen 1869
Sarah Ann 1866
Peter 1870

and Mary Ann also? When was she born?

Have you found baptisms for these children? Baptisms can be invaluable as they provide the names of the godparents, who are often relatives (as I have stated above).

Also, I am looking for the McKennas, not the Donnelly’s. About Patrick

I understand that, but you need to know everything you can about Eleanor, including the names of all her children, and information about her siblings, before you go back to her father. How could you know that you are researching the correct Patrick McKenna, if you have no other context?

You state that:
My oldest ancestor is Patrick McKenna (Farmer), he was born circa 1810 in Aghaloo or Errigal Truagh. He married circa 1835 in either Aghaloo or Errigal Truagh. He had a daughter named Eleanor about 1841 (death age extracted from 1901, her death date).

But you don't offer any sources for this, so I am trying to take a step back to establish what sources are available and what they tell us. I suggested that Eleanor may have been the daughter of a Patrick and Bridget McKenna in Errigal Truagh, but I wanted to try and provide confirmation of this by using the names of Eleanor's children and trying to find the names of Eleanor's known siblings to see if Patrick and Bridget had baptised children with these names. For example, Eleanor's marriage was witnessed by a William, this could suggest that she had a sibling called William. However, she had no daughter called Bridget, which may be expected if her mother had been Bridget. Essentially, trying to find more records to establish links between her and other McKennas in the area. I can see that there was certainly more than 1 Patrick McKenna in the area at the time of Eleanor's birth.

Parish Register Births:
Sarah Donnelly BIRTH 1866
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F526-MBK
Ellen Donnelly BIRTH 1869
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5TQ-Q92
Peter Donnelly BIRTH 1870
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGV3-ZLCZ

Civil Births:
Sarah Donnelly BIRTH 1866
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03519/2294481.pdf
Ellen Donnelly BIRTH 1869
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03409/2250344.pdf
Peter Donnelly BIRTH 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03323/2218273.pdf
- Kiernan from County Meath
- Kelly from County Kildare
- Donnelly from County Tyrone
- McKenna from County Tyrone/Moghanan