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Help understanding a service record
« on: Monday 05 August 24 12:40 BST (UK) »
Hi, I've recently received my great-uncles service record for WW2 but don't understand/can't read some of the abbreviations used. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: Help understanding a service record
« Reply #1 on: Monday 05 August 24 14:45 BST (UK) »
Presumably he enlisted or was called up in late 1942.

His first posting was to the 1 Primary Training Centre for his basic recruit training. This centre was at Saighton Camp, near Chester, Cheshire. The training was run by 233 Light Anti-Aircraft Training Regiment Royal Artillery.

He was then posted to his first field unit, 186th Field Regiment Royal Artillery which was just forming in Scotland. He appears to have remained with 186 Fd Regt for about a year before being transferred to the Gloucestershire Regiment. This may have been at his own request or because he didn't measure up as an Artillery soldier. Because he had so far been trained as a Gunner, he needed to gain infantry skills, hence a posting to 15 Infantry Training Centre which was based in Gloucester. This unit trained soldiers from the Somerset Light Infantry, the Gloucestershire Regt, and the Wiltshire Regt.

Having completed his basic infantry training he was held at No 3 Infantry Depot before being sent on to 15 Holding Battalion. I can't identify the abbreviation between 3 and ID. It is possibly Cmd for Command or combined, but that is a guess. Holding battalions were just that, temporary homes for troops. They held some men like this person, who had recently completed their initial infantry training, before they were posted on to fill vacancies notified in infantry battalions, and they also held men who had been away from their previous units for extended periods (say after being in hospital).  I don't know where No 15 Holding Battalion was located.

I assume there are some further entries on his record, covering the period up to the end of hostilities.

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Re: Help understanding a service record
« Reply #2 on: Monday 05 August 24 14:53 BST (UK) »
The references to Part II orders are the documents issued by the previous unit authorising each  move/change. This would involve the soldier being struck off the strength (SOS) of one unit and then being taken on strength (TOS) of his new unit on the next day so that there were no unaccounted for gaps. If a soldier needed to be held in limbo, for instance, if he became a prisoner of war, he would be posted to the Y List which was maintained by his parent Record Office.

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Re: Help understanding a service record - another attachment
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 07 August 24 14:50 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Thank you for the response, that's incredibly helpful.

There doesn't appear to be any other real information on what happened to him later. The bottom of the page I originally sent had the attachment to this message. I don't think I can put it in the message itself.

There is another page which I will attach to another message as apparently the file size is too large.

It's entirely possible I am completely misreading however. I don't have a lot of experience reading military records.

Thanks again for all your help.


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Re: Help understanding a service record - 2nd attachment
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 07 August 24 14:54 BST (UK) »
Second attachment as mentioned. But I don't think this says anything new.

Thanks

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Re: Help understanding a service record
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 07 August 24 19:48 BST (UK) »
jaycee,

That second entry is probably more significant than you imagine. The authority for his discharge is King's Regulations 1940 paragraph 390 sub-paragraph (xvi). This refers to a soldier who has been found physically unfit by a medical board and is therefore to be discharged from Army service. The actual text of KRs 1940, paragraph 390 (xvi) is "ceasing to fulfil Army physical requirements."
The fact that he was discharged after after hostilities had ceased is not that relevant as many servicemen, especially many like him who had enlisted later in the war, were kept in the Forces for up to about 18 months after hostilities had ceased to help with the post war civil operations in West Germany, and while the threat from the Soviet forces remained high. As you will be aware this is why National Service was introduced in 1948 in order to keep the Service numbers up during the early years of the Cold War.

The note in the left column shows an Army Form W3149 was used to notify the Record Office of the occurrence. I haven't been able to find that specific form, but it is significant that next form in the series, AFW 3150, is entitled 'Hopsitals - Men recommended as ready for discharge'.

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Re: Help understanding a service record
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 August 24 14:54 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the replies. It has been very helpful.

Sorry for the later reply, it has been a strange week!