Author Topic: William Drysdale 1636 - shipment of 6 condemned men to the colony [Virginia]  (Read 950 times)

Offline Ronda231

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Hi all,
I recently found a reference to a William Drysdale 1636 (who appears to have been a planter or Merchant in Virginia in colonial America) in a book entitled "Economic history of Virginia in the seventeenth century, an inquiry etc..."  Vol 1 - Bruce 1896
 
The reference gives the source of this information as "CALENDAR OF STATE PAPERS COLONIAL SERIES, 1574-1660 by Sainsbury 1860"

The prints below show the initial reference to William Drysdale and the publication from which the information was said to be sourced.

The problem I have is that the referenced publication does not include the 1636 reference to William Drysdale.

I have searched all the usual places for different or alternative versions of the source record (internet archive, Hathi, passenger lists etc. etc) but have had no luck in finding any Virginian drysdales at all for the relevant timeframe.

I've probably come up against a brick wall in this but any appropriate help would be appreciated

Regards




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Re: William Drysdale 1636 - shipment of 6 condemned men to the colony [Virginia]
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 03 August 24 18:30 BST (UK) »
The way I read the page from Bruce's Economic History of VIrginia makes me wonder: does William Drysdale have to go to Virginia himself? Or is he only responsible for shipping 6 condemned men to Virginia, whether he goes there or not? If not, that would explain why you can't find any Drysdales in Virginia in that time frame.

It doesn't seem from that paragraph that any other of the men who received custody of criminals were in Virginia or obliged to go there. Except maybe William Gibbs who "should carry" John Talford to Virginia.

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I have no idea why the cited reference don't have the information Mr Bruce said was there. It says he was working from Sainsbury's abstracts. Are you looking at the original state papers? No, I looked again and the title page you posted names Sainsbury at editor at the bottom, so you are looking at the same information Mr Bruce was looking at.

Are there different editions with different page numbering?

 



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Re: William Drysdale 1636 - shipment of 6 condemned men to the colony [Virginia]
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 03 August 24 20:28 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Thank you very much for your input on this.

Of course you are absolutely right - the reference I have doesn't necessarily imply that William Drysdale himself was going to travel to Virginia.

That was really the main reason why I was trying to locate the original text in the Sainsburys extract - to see if it gave any further information on the circumstances of William Drysdale and the men he was transporting.

Although I couldn't find any Drysdales in Virginia in the 1630s and 1640s, I did find a number of 'James Drysdale' references for Charles city in the period 1658 - 1665 and also a 'Thomas Drysdale' in Boston in 1660. These could possibly be William's sons.

Since yesterday's post I've managed to unearth some further info on William Drysdale himself in London:

In the early 1600s William's family was the only Drysdale family in London, and, together with his wife Mary Miller (or Muller) they had at least 3 daughters (one died) and at least two sons (one died).

He was a craftsman, a 'saddletree maker' (the wooden framework of a horse's saddle) and his business must have been good because he moved up from Wapping in the East end of London (in 1610) to Westminster, next to the Houses of Parliament in the 1630s.

His father & his wife died in 1635, (both are buried in St Margarets Church, Westminster). 

So in 1636, in those circumstances, noting that he was a craftsman rather than a trader, it is not unreasonable to postulate that he was perhaps travelling to Virginia with 6 men to start a new saddlemaking business there.

Regarding the possibility of additional editions of Sainburys abstracts having different page numbers, this may well be the case - I don't know.

The only possible anomaly I can see from the original reference is that it mentions the word 'Docquet' within the footnote?

Thanks again & best regards

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Re: William Drysdale 1636 - shipment of 6 condemned men to the colony [Virginia]
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 03 August 24 23:10 BST (UK) »
Index
https://archive.org/details/sim_great-britain-public-record-1625-1649-domestic-series_1635-may-1636_index/page/598/mode/2up

Drysdell, William, 437

the records themselves
https://archive.org/details/sim_great-britain-public-record-1625-1649-domestic-series_1635-1636/page/436/mode/2up

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If you find those men in Virginia, William Drysdale might be nearby.

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I found this by searching at Google for the exact text of the footnote in Bruce's book:  "british state papers Colonial domestic, Charles I, docquet sainsbury abstracts for 1635"
Google's results were "Missing: Colonial ‎docquet ‎sainsbury ‎abstracts" but pointed me to the series of state papers at archive.org.

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Are there any records of William Drysdale or his sons or daughters in London after 1636?


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Re: William Drysdale 1636 - shipment of 6 condemned men to the colony [Virginia]
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 03 August 24 23:48 BST (UK) »
Dear oldohiohome

Thank you very much for your inspiration & expertise on this. I've been going around in circles for days now. My 'google' and 'pdf find' fingers are totally worn out.

I can now take up your suggestion and start looking for those 6 men in Virginia with some new enthusiasm!

After 1636, there is no sign of William Drysdale or any of his family in the London area.

Thanks once again and best regards


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Re: William Drysdale 1636 - shipment of 6 condemned men to the colony [Virginia]
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 August 24 00:11 BST (UK) »
Probably not your man, but might be worth a look anyway:

1684 - Will of William Dresdell, Mariner of Rotherhithe, Surrey

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D748461

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Re: William Drysdale 1636 - shipment of 6 condemned men to the colony [Virginia]
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 August 24 01:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Ashtone,

Thank you very much for the link to this will, you're right it's not my man, but it is of interest and will prove to be a very good source document for another person in my extended family tree.

Best regards