Duplicate birth entries.

[softly softly]

Info only, exactly as I said, 2 brothers/2 sisters.

Alfred Albert Ames 1889-1981 (mmn Burnell)
Florence Daisy Burton (MAY) mmn Brace 1896-1970 born Roydon, Herts

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Edward William Ames 1881-1950 (mmn Burnell)
Ada Burton 1894-1981  mmn Brace  Born Roydon, Herts.

SS

[Retriever]

Thank you for that SS.

Alfred Ames married May Burton, Edmonton district, December quarter 1912.

He died in 1917 and May then married John Perkins. I had only seen banns for this marriage so hadn't realised May was a widow.

Seeing Alfred W G on the 1939 Register got me wondering if he was her brother and could give me her maiden name, but it turns out he was her son.

Rosie is right about the marriage of Alfred W G in 1940 as I have found his death record at age 86.

Many thanks all.

[confusion]

To add to the conundrum

Alfred Ames b? -d 1917
marr Dec q 1912 Edmonton
May Burton b Jun q 1893 Edmonton (3a 477)MMN:Kiff
or
May Lilian Burton b Sep q 1893 Edmonton (3a 288)MMN:Johnson Occasional Copy A

Edward William Ames b 1881 MMN:Burnell
marr Jun q 1913 Edmonton
Ada Burton b 1894 MMN:Brace
 
Alfred Albert Ames b 1889 MMN:Burnell
marr Sep q 1926 Edmonton
Florence Burton b 1896 MMN:Brace

Therefore, if Alfred Ames who married May Burton/May Lilian Burton in 1912 died in 1917 he couldn't marry in 1926 to Florence Burton. The two brothers and two sisters who married in 1913 and 1926 are correct and their decendants are my OH's 4th cousins.

There are 15 Ames/Burton children born between 1914 and 1937 which could apply to any of the above marriages.

Hope this helps

Jim

[Retriever]

Many thanks Jim.

The May Burton, mother of Alfred W G Ames, was the first May not May Louisa.

What a complicated family.

[josey]

Duplicate birth registration CAN happen - I have a case in my tree where the Registrar registered the birth then the mother also registered it a few days later. I have both certificates. Can't find details ATM of course!!

[AntonyMMM]

Duplicate birth registration CAN happen - I have a case in my tree where the Registrar registered the birth then the mother also registered it a few days later. I have both certificates. Can't find details ATM of course!!

I have seen just one or two examples of events being registered twice ( usually deaths), when they shouldn't have been but it is rare. Most examples turn out to be corrections of some sort that the registrar has done by creating a new entry (wrongly) , or there is some other explanation.

In your case, the first registration must have had an informant, a registrar can't just register a birth themselves ( if they did I'd be interested to see how !).

[josey]

I'll look out the certificates and check it out Anthony, maybe my memory is bad and it was deaths not births, but will report back. I think I put a post on here at the time but can't find it now of course!!

[melba_schmelba]

Apologies to hijack a topic, but a case I found seems relevant to the thread title. I have a birth, same person, same volume number but page number 9 pages different in the 1920s. Their parents (as was thought) married about 3 years later, but DNA shows the father, presumably as registered was not the actual birth father. Could the double entry indicate an amended certificate, when the man who the mother later married formerly adopted the child?

[AntonyMMM]

Apologies to hijack a topic, but a case I found seems relevant to the thread title. I have a birth, same person, same volume number but page number 9 pages different in the 1920s. Their parents (as was thought) married about 3 years later, but DNA shows the father, presumably as registered was not the actual birth father. Could the double entry indicate an amended certificate, when the man who the mother later married formerly adopted the child?

The double entry is not related to adoption. Adoption never adds anything to an existing birth entry ( other than a simple "adopted" annotation"). It certainly never adds the details of a step parent.

It sounds like a re-registration of some sort, either to add a previously unnamed father, or under the Legitimacy Act, but without more details I can't advise which is more likely. If you want to post the name, or send me them by DM I'll have a look.

To be certain of what happened you have to get copies of both entries. It is impossible to be certain just from the indexes.