Shaffer and Webb of Syracuse

[shellyesq]

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This gives information about marriage records at the bottom:  http://www.ongov.net/clerk/faqs.html

One thing that's important to know about ordering records from New York state is that it's best to order from the local level when possible.  Ordering from the state (these orders go to Albany, the state capital) involves a wait time of over 3 years for genealogical records.  It's usually much faster from the local level.

Also, there are various Syracuse newspapers on www.fultonhistory.com, and there seem to be mentions of this family.

[Jane190]

Thank you all for the information and help in such a short time, much appreciated. I've found the marriage of the parents of Bridget Webb. Charles Webb and Bridget Commerford married 18 Aug 1880 in Queenston,Ontario, Canada. Charles was 24 and the son of Alfred Webb and Jane who were also living in Canada.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y395-SNN?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFMN1-GY3&action=view

Canada 1861 Census Alfred,Jane, Charles Webb

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D4W3-MTS?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMQW6-FLK&action=view

death Alfred Webb 1916

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JK7P-T8X


It would be interesting to know where Charles was born in 1856 and where in England his parents Alfred and Jane married.

Are there Immigration records online? If Elizabeth Bowman was born in Germany her surname probably was Baumann in German but its complicated to research someone without knowing the name of place or county there were from

[shellyesq]

There are some immigration records online, but the earlier ones tend to give limited information.

This has links to passenger lists to Canada (among other countries) - https://www.germanroots.com/international-passenger-lists.html 

And passenger lists to the US - https://www.germanroots.com/onlinelists.html

[Lisa in California]

…It would be interesting to know where Charles was born in 1856 and where in England his parents Alfred and Jane married.

I believe the 1881 census stated Charles’ middle name was William.

If Clara Florence was Charles’ sister, then Charles’ parents were Alfred Webb and Jane Wright.  Source: Clara’s 1900 Ontario marriage document.

[Lisa in California]

Just guesses, but possibly your man…

Marriage document - Ancestry
Alfred Webb and Jane Wright married 25 September 1854, Newington, Oxfordshire, England.
Alfred was age 24, Jane was age 25.  Fathers: James Webb; Mark Wright.

Ontario Deaths - Ancestry
Alfred Webb, died 13 December 1916, Niagara Falls, Ontario.  Age 89 years, 11 months, 25 days.  Widowed.
Place of birth: Oxfordshire

Both documents possibly also found on FamilySearch.

[Lisa in California]

Red herrings or possibly the same family?

1851 Census - England
Alfred Webb, age 20, born c1831.  Pauper Inmate (Pauper).  Union Workhouse Wallingford.
Where born: Newington, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Wallingford, St Mary the More
Ecclesiastical parish: Oxford
Town: Wallingford
County/Island: Berkshire

Births
Charles William Webb.  June 1856.  District: Wallingford.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Apologies if they are not your men.

[Neale1961]

Charles Shaffer born 25 March 1879 Syracuse, Onondaga County,


Charles’ father was Alois / Aloys SHAFFER / SCHAFFER (Junior) or nickname “Ollie”
Alois sometimes appears as "Alvis" or "Elias" when written on records
He was a stone cutter working in the monumental making business
1870 Alois Shafer junior 1870 residence 205 Lock Syracuse
1879 Alois L Shaffer 1879 monumental works 57 Taylor St
1880 Taylor St Syracuse (see census posted in reply #1)

Alois Shaffer must have died between 1880 census and 1889, but I can’t see a death or burial for him. Maybe someone can find a newspaper mention of his death.

1889 directory Elizabeth Shaffer, widow Ollie, 1102 Lodi Syracuse
1890 directory Elizabeth Shaffer, widow Ollie, 106 Pattison Syracuse
By 1892 census Elizabeth Shafffer 41 laundress is in Syracuse Ward 12 with daughters Rose 19, Lottie 16, Charles 12, William 9, Frank 4.

Alois’s father was also named Alois Shaffer. He was a marble cutter in 1870 same address as son.

Alois Shaffer senior was born in Prussia / Germany in 1826 and he died in Syracuse 11 Aug 1883.
He was married to Rosina Marion von Berg (1826 – 1873) Their five children:- Marion, Alois junior, Margaret, Louisa, Charles George.


1860 census Syracuse Ward 2, Onondaga
Alois Shaver 33 born Prussia stone cutter
Rosina Shaver 34 born Württemberg
Maria 12 born New York
Alois 10 born New York
Margreth 8 born New York
Luisa 3 born New York
Charles George 7 months born New York

1865 census Syracuse Ward 2, Onondaga
Alois Shafer 39 born Germany stone cutter
Rosina Shafer 39 born Germany
Mary 17 born Germany
Alois 15 born Onondaga
Margret 13 born Onondaga
Luisa 8 born Onondaga
Charles 5 born Onondaga

1870 census Syracuse Ward 2, Onondaga
No new information except that the oldest daughter is not living at home (now married?) and Olois junior age 20 is working as a stone cutter.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8V8-R4S


Alois Shafer senior is on civil war draft registration in 1863 Ward 2, Onondaga
Schafer, Alvis 37 born Germany, stone cutter

[Jane190]

Thank you all! So many new information to work with and to use for my research.