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Re: Can It Get Any Weirder
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 30 July 24 21:49 BST (UK) »
Maybe
Marriage, Sep 1947 Gateshead 1a 2362
Atkinson, William - spouse Ward
Ward, Eileen M. - spouse Atkinson

Death
Jun 1983 Newcastle upon Tyne 2 816
Atkinson, Eileen Mary
d-o-b 30 Dec 1913

There is probate for her in 1983, an administration with will. She died 1st April.

Birth was
WARD, EILEEN  MARY     
Mother's Maiden Surname: BAKER 
GRO Reference: 1914  M Quarter in BARROW IN FURNESS  Volume 08E  Page 1395

Our Eileen Brown, nee Ward, had a different middle name
WARD, EILEEN  MARGARET    
Mother's Maiden Surname: ROGAN 
GRO Reference: 1914  S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 632

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Re: Can It Get Any Weirder
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 31 July 24 10:44 BST (UK) »
Working back from my grandmothers marriage certificate which I physically have, Eileen Margaret Wardmarried George Banham Brown 10th December 1932, father listed as James Ward, deceased.
Research yesterday evening puts the potential mother as Rogan so something to work on, however, Ancestry shows the potential James Ward father as dying in 1942 AND Eillen as a child born in Ireland!!.....It aint easy this genealogy lark is it  ::)

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Re: Can It Get Any Weirder
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 31 July 24 10:49 BST (UK) »
however, Ancestry shows the potential James Ward father as dying in 1942 AND Eillen as a child born in Ireland!!.....It aint easy this genealogy lark is it  ::)

Do you mean Ancestry shows an actual record of Eileen's birth in Ireland (with mother's maiden name Cecilia Rogan) rather than Tynemouth as both I (reply #20) and Jonw65 found (reply #36). Or do you mean someone's TREE on Ancestry has Eileen born in Ireland?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Can It Get Any Weirder
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 31 July 24 10:54 BST (UK) »
If you have access to 1921 census only available on FindMyPast, you can easily find your Eileen. Remember her mother's name is Cecilia, not a common name.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Can It Get Any Weirder
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 31 July 24 10:58 BST (UK) »
If you have access to 1921 census only available on FindMyPast, you can easily find your Eileen. Remember her mother's name is Cecilia, not a common name.

You can search FindMyPast without a subscription and buy a copy of the image for around 50 pence
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Re: Can It Get Any Weirder
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 31 July 24 11:01 BST (UK) »
Cecilia's name has been transcribed as Cecila,
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Can It Get Any Weirder
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 31 July 24 11:12 BST (UK) »
I don't know who Cecelia Whitehead (Ward) is so some research needed there, I was hoping she may have been a sister of Kenneth Ward, Margaret's absent husband but thats not the case, and why is Kathleen on here as well as on the Gateshead one?

Cecilia Veronica Rogan married in Blackburn district in 1910, one of the possible grooms is James Ward.  I have found three Ward children with Rogan as mmn
Annie 1912 Cockermouth, Eileen M  1914 Tynemouth and Therese F 1925 Cockermouth, and a Kathleen V Ward 1918 Cockermouth mmn listed as Regan.

There seem to be some similar forenames here.
Cecilia Ward married a Harold Whiteoak in Manchester in 1941 and Annie Ward married John G Lally in 1940 in Manchester.

Bearing in mind Cecilia Rogan and James Ward married in Blackburn in 1910, they can be found in 1911 with first child (who presumably died before 1921). Now you can see the Irish connection.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Can It Get Any Weirder
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 31 July 24 11:16 BST (UK) »
Now you have James age, place of birth and occupation, he is easily found in 1921.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Can It Get Any Weirder
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 31 July 24 11:28 BST (UK) »
I would guess he's an ex-serviceman suffering from TB, so maybe looking for a death in Carlisle district.

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Now I think a death in Q3 1930 Cockermouth seems more likely
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott