Rayner's

[Welly07]

Hello lovely people

I have had help with this family as I keep hitting brick walls as they all seem to go by different names and iv hit another brick wall

Francis Henry George Rayer born around 1875

Father is logged as John Rayer.

Francis goes by the name of George Henry Rayner in census with his family when he's married.

He marries Eliza Parton in 1895 both living in ormside side street at the time and continue to live in Camberwell.

I can't not find a record of his birth with the correct year give or take 5 years each way under either name in born in Sutton Surrey as he states on all census from 1901 onwards

I can't find him prior to his marriage on any census and at a complete loss

Please help

[Ashtone]

QUESTION - Is this family surname Rayer or Rayner? If it's the latter, you might want to edit your subject line, to avoid any confusion.

Also, what is the occupation of father John Rayner on the 1895 marriage record?

Here's the Rayner family in trouble with the law in 1923. The address here matches where they're living in the 1921 census.

[Ashtone]

South London Observer
06 August 1937

[trish1120]

Have you traced the Marriage witness William John Rayner?

I may be well off here but worth posting.

WILLIAM JOHN Rayner bapt 1 Feb. 1885 St Nicholas, Sutton
Mother ALICE Rayner
Born 23 June 1876

1881 Census
Robin Hood 16 Poplar Cottage, Sutton
Alice Rainer 26 Head Mar no occp
George Rainer 5 Son
John Rainer 3 Son
All born Sutton

Alice married twice quickly;
29 May 1882 to William EPHGRAVE and as a Widow 26 Dec. 1887 to John SMEE

Her Father was THOMAS Rayner so was unm not married as 1881 Census has.

[Welly07]

The newspaper reports are definitely the correct family , thank you for that

I had a quick look at the witness William john Rayner but didn't get very far as not the same father

I have a look at the one above , thank you

George Rayer is still a mystery of where he came from

[Ashtone]

1891 census - John & Alice Smee living at 19, Stockwell Street, Camberwell.

George (age 17) and John (age 15) are recorded as "Smee". Both are errand boys.

This puts George in the Camberwell area, where he shows up in 1901-1921 census records.

As for the 1895 marriage record, George may have invented a father named John.

[Welly07]

Thank you , I'll have a look into the smee's

[trish1120]

Thanks for following up Ashtone while I was off line.

As John Smee was his stepfather from 1887 onwards that may be why he named his Father as a John at Marriage.

[trish1120]

In 1911 John is with his Sister Elizabeth Dedman a widow.
Married 15 years, no** children
Havent found Alice yet.

A Dedman is witness to his Marriage to Alice + a Rayner also.
Initials are hard to make out H Deman/E Rayner?

Got her under Alice Drew, image is Smee