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Re: Richard Watts & Sarah Rosier
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 July 24 17:53 BST (UK) »
But this would make Phoebe the sister of the 1781 Sarah not the 1789 one , wouldn't it - or am I really confused?
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Re: Richard Watts & Sarah Rosier
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 16 July 24 18:06 BST (UK) »
But this would make Phoebe the sister of the 1781 Sarah not the 1789 one , wouldn't it - or am I really confused?

It is really confusing. If Phoebe is a sister witnessing the Alexander wedding then it looks likely that those parents are William & Ann.
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Re: Richard Watts & Sarah Rosier
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 16 July 24 18:25 BST (UK) »
Not checked the 1789 bapt.

But a 1804 marriage in Inkpen would make this Sarah  age 16. Not impossible. (If it is the one born 1789)

Maybe DNA testing would help the OP

Amended - confusing marriages.
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Re: Richard Watts & Sarah Rosier
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 16 July 24 20:34 BST (UK) »
I suggest getting a copy of the 1860 death certificate to see who reported the death, usually a family member.


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Re: Richard Watts & Sarah Rosier
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 16 July 24 21:05 BST (UK) »
Not sure if it makes much difference but when Job Rosier married Lizzie Skinner 28 November 1818
the witness was William Rosier -probably his brother.

They could both write their name, whereas Phebe and Sarah could not (1813) or do you think the boys were taught to write and not the girls?.

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Re: Richard Watts & Sarah Rosier
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 16 July 24 21:07 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone

Thank you for all of your messages.

I've managed to find the baptism record for both Sarahs.

The one baptized on the 19/4/1789 - the parents are Robert and Sarah (Coxhead) in Ramsbury.

The one baptized on the 19/8/1781 - the parents are William and Ann (Cross) in Ramsbury.

In the 1851 census Sarah and Richard Watts, it states that Sarah is from Ramsbury (they were living in Inkpen at the time of the census records (not far from Ramsbury though, as Ramsbury is on the Wiltshire/Hampshire border.

As it was stated in one of the comments if it was Sarah born 1789 she was only 16 when married, but if it was Sarah born 1781 she would have been 23/24.

I've confused myself now but did someone mention the Sarah born 1789 married a William Alexander - so then I can rule that one out and it is most likely that Sarah born 1781 is the one I should have in my tree with parents named William and Ann?

I think I had gone down the wrong line, as I had the wrong Sarah in my tree, but something was niggling me to say it wasn't right, hence my post.

I've also just downloaded the death certificate for Sarah Rosier who died in 1860 - this is not my Sarah as it says the widow of Caleb Watts.  However, The Sarah in my tree was married to a Richard Watts - that is the marriage in Inkpen in 1804 - that is 100% correct.

I don't have a Caleb Watts in my tree, so I am even more confused now.
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Re: Richard Watts & Sarah Rosier
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 16 July 24 21:23 BST (UK) »
A Caleb Watts was buried in Lambourn in 1846, bapt 1764. Possibly married Sarah Patridge at Kingdclere in 1815. There is another Caleb Watts marriage in Lambourn in 1801 to Elizabeth Woodley, maybe 1815 marriage was 2nd marriage of the same Caleb
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Re: Richard Watts & Sarah Rosier
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 16 July 24 21:46 BST (UK) »
Thank you - that is another problem solved then.

That is the death of the Sarah Watts 1860 then, so can definitely rule that one out of my tree.

Thanks for all of your help with this, hugely appreciated.
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Re: Richard Watts & Sarah Rosier
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 16 July 24 21:52 BST (UK) »
Sarah 1781 who married William Alexander 1813 would have been about 32 at the time.
Witness is sister Phebe.

John Rosier married Amelia Smith 1815 witness is brother Job. 

Job married Lizzie Skinner 1818  witness is William either father or brother.

Anne Married Henry Collington 1808 witness is William either father or brother.
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William Rosier senior wrote a will 1833 he says he is Sexton of Ramsbury, it is not useful as he names his wife Ann and oldest son Henry.
Probate is granted  24 August 1835 to Henry the surviving executor.
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As Sexton it was probably the father who signed the marriages.
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William Rosier widower(this must be Junior) marries Elizabeth Angel 8 April 1820 witness brother Job.

Henry married 1st Sarah Smith 1804 and then Elizabeth Toe 1818 witness is William Rosier.

Based on the fact that witnesses are relatives that your Sarah is the one bap 1789.
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Robert Rosier widower marries Hannah Alexander widow in April 1797. So his wife Sarah has died.

Perhaps his daughter Sarah married as soon as she could.

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Sarah Rosier was buried 8 January 1796 married woman at Ramsbury, spouse Robert.
Ref. ancestry