John Pearce / Elizabeth Ackleton information wanted

[lsmith1980]

Trying to trace any information on a Charles Pearce and his son John Pearce (b. abt. 1906), who married Elizabeth Ackleton (b.1911) in 1928. They lived on the Belvedere Marshes until at least 1940, and then they moved to the Willows in Hertfordshire.

Really hit a brick wall with this so grateful for any help or anything really.
I know quite a bit about the Ackleton side but always looking for new information.
But due to a change of name I know nothing about John Pearce or his family before 1940.

I know sometime between September 1939 and mid 1941 John Pearce, left Kent and started using the name Robert Pearce and named his son that name too.
He died in 1965 and was still using the name 'Robert'. So much so that it was not until I started tracing my tree I discovered the name change, even his children did not know this.

[Ladyhawk]

Trying to trace any information on a Charles Pearce and his son John Pearce (b. abt. 1906), who married Elizabeth Ackleton (b.1911) in 1928.

They lived on the Belvedere Marshes until at least 1940, and then they moved to the Willows in Hertfordshire.

Really hit a brick wall with this so grateful for any help or anything really.

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Do you have Charles and John on any census? If so, can you provide further details please.

Do you know the name of John’s mother.

Added

Do you have the 1928 marriage certificate?
What was occupation of John & Charles?
What was John’s address?
Who witnessed the marriage?

[lsmith1980]

No I don't have them on any Census and only know that John's father's name is Charles as it is listed on his marriage certificate.
I have no information on his mother at all and no certain birthdate either.

Family legend is apparently that he lived on the Belvedere Marshes in Kent, He got into a row with a policeman, threw him from the top deck of a bus/tram? and fled to Hertfordshire changing his name from Robert Smith to Robert Pearce.

I can find nothing to link him to the name Smith or Robert, His marriage certificate and his first 2 children's birth certificate have John Pearce listed as father and his 3rd child has Robert crossed out the John Pearce in the father's space.
I do have him on the 1939 Register as John Pearce on Belvedere Marshes with his wife and 2 eldest children.

[CaroleW]

Did you get his fathers name solely from the 1928 marriage cert or do you have any other documentation that links them as father & son?

Do you have John & Elizabeth on the 1939 register - what was John's full birthdate?

[CaroleW]

Was Charles shown as a gardener on the 1928 marriage cert?

If so - there is a 1911 entry for a John Pearce ages 6 b Bucks - parents Charles & Frances.  Age fits with 1939 birthdate

[CaroleW]

I think you need to look at the 1939 register entry.  Use daughter Minnie b 1935 to search.  Look at the entry for John - his name & in particular the entry for his birthdate

We are not allowed to post those details on RC

[CaroleW]

Birth reg

December qtr 1899

Josiah Pearce   Barnet 3a 295

GRO online has no mothers maiden name so he was illegitimate

[Ladyhawk]

I know sometime between September 1939 and mid 1941 John Pearce, left Kent and started using the name Robert Pearce and named his son that name too.

He died in 1965 and was still using the name 'Robert'.

Where did he die?

[Ladyhawk]

Was Charles shown as a gardener on the 1928 marriage cert?

If so - there is a 1911 entry for a John Pearce ages 6 b Bucks - parents Charles & Frances.  Age fits with 1939 birthdate

1911
Charles Pearce 37 Head West Wycombe
Frances Pearce 32 Wife Liverpool
Charles Pearce   10   Son
Thomas Pearce 8 Son
John Pearce 6 Son
Ellen Pearce 0 Daughter
All others born High Wycombe

Could this be their birth entries

PEARCE, CHARLES  HENRY     mmn HOPPER 
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in WYCOMBE  Volume 03A  Page 834

PEARCE, THOMAS       mmn HOPPER 
GRO Reference: 1903  M Quarter in WYCOMBE  Volume 03A  Page 880

PEARCE, JOHN       mmn HOPPER 
GRO Reference: 1904  D Quarter in WYCOMBE  Volume 03A  Page 390

PEARCE, ELLEN  LOUISA     mmn HOPPER 
GRO Reference: 1910  J Quarter in WYCOMBE  Volume 03A  Page 977

There is this marriage

Charles Edward Pearce Age   25 occ french polisher
Marriage 7 Aug 1899 Liverpool, Holy Trinity, Lancashire
Father    Henry Pearce
Spouse    Frances Mary Hopper