Change of Surname?? WHY?? Can someone help please??

[gaffy]

Looking at a transcript of the Scotland Select Births and Baptisms 1564-1950 collection on the 'Ancestry' website, he was definitely listed as Joseph Mack Liddle, born 19 June 1825 to Joseph Liddle and Mary Ann Bogue.  In a transcript of the 1841 census, there was a Joseph 'Siddle', a 15 year old Accountant Ap (prentice?) in the 'Siddle' household in Scotland Street Edinburgh, headed by a solicitor father Joseph. In a transcript of the 1851 census, there was a Joseph 'Mach' Liddell, a 24 year old accountant, lodging in Perth.

[gaffy]

He was buried as Joseph Liddle in Bendigo BUT when in newspaper it appeared as Joseph Mack son of Joseph Liddle??

Is this the only instance where he appeared as Joseph Mack? I haven't seen the article, but would it not have been implied that he was 'Joseph Mack [Liddle], son of Joseph Liddle'?   I still don't know who the other accountant called Joseph Mack Liddell was... a cousin?... a coincidence of names?

Added: There are a couple of references here (1846 and 1857) to an Edinburgh accountant called Joseph Mack Liddell (just Ctrl+F to find):
https://www.oldscottish.com/sheriff-court-extract-decrees-index-jonathan-d-kerr-elizabeth-mackie.html

[Dundee]

NOW Joseph Mack went under Liddle name when traveling out to Australia with wife and son mary Jane & Joseph (they registered Joseph in Ballarat but was a toddler and born in Scotland) in 1852 on Nepaul

This is more likely to be Joseph LIDDLE and Mary Elizabeth APPLETON who were from London.  Frederick was 7 months and Joseph 3 years.  Father Joseph was a Clerk in 1851.

LIDDLE, JOSEPH
Mother's maiden surname: APPLETON     
GRO Reference: 1849  D Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT  Volume 03  Page 285

LIDDLE, FREDERICK  CHARLES
Mother's maiden surname: APPLETON     
GRO Reference: 1851  S Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN  Volume 02  Page 36

They had a number of children in Victoria after 1852.

I can see that a few of Joseph Mack LIDDLE's brothers came to Australia so they may have travelled together around April 1855 when brother John died at sea.  If they paid their own way then you may not find any evidence of their arrival.

Debra 

[Dundee]

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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=837587.0

You are looking for someone born in 1863?

Debra 

[ChrissieL]

If the Joseph Mack you are looking for was in fact born in 1863, he can't be the son of Joseph Mack Liddle who you tell us  died in 1861

[gaffy]

Good stuff in the last few posts, this just wasn't adding up for me. 

[Josephine]

He was buried as Joseph Liddle in Bendigo BUT when in newspaper it appeared as Joseph Mack son of Joseph Liddle??

Thanks Michelle

I've seen this a lot in obituaries and marriage notices for Scottish people. Joseph Mack are his given names; his surname is assumed to be the same as his father's.

With women's obituaries, it'll often be something like Isabella Caldwell, wife of Robert Fraser, or Isabella Caldwell, daughter of George Brown, and you have to either know or figure out if Caldwell was her maiden name or middle name.

Marriage notices often listed the first and middle names of the bride and groom without surnames, if their fathers' names were also listed.

This can make it hard to search digital newspapers for obits and marriage notices, because the person's full name isn't always in one string, as in "Isabella Caldwell Fraser," or even "Fraser Isabella." Instead, it might be: "FRASER -- On Monday morning, suddenly, Isabella Caldwell, wife of Robert Fraser..."

[Josephine]

See this obit from 1854 as an example.

Edited to add: In this case, West was her middle name.

[AUSSIE michelle]

Hi and thanks to everyone who has been assisting.
I did reply BUT I don't know whether they posted or not as I am not familiar on how to use.
SO I am rewriting all the answers I wrote.

Firstly HUGE Thanks

Thanks Josephine this explains the name of Joseph Mack

HI Dundee and Chrissie - SO it was presumed it was 1863 Joseph Mack was born BUT this is only a presumption on the death cert as no one really knew the age of this Joseph - it was guess work from the person reporting. But yes this is the person/family I was looking for but have now realised the name Liddle was dropped here.

Thanks Dundee for pointing out the 1852 ship was not correct Liddle  - I had wondered when I seen the 1852 and went don't think this is correct. Sure it was a bit later. One problem sorted. But yes other brother came out so I will look into this and this explains about two he was in Edinburgh in 1846 & 1857 as it was just after this he is documented in Bendigo/Eaglehawk.
So thank goodness cleared up.

Gaffy

The sensis in the correct family
SIddle is th eLiddle family
Now there is Joseph Liddle SSC
then Joseph Mack Liddle/Liddell - accountant a
AND in Australia Joseph Mack the son who dies in Barham NSW - just up the road from Bendigo.

Joseph Mack Liddle also did go to Perth in Scotland for a bit to practice accountancy so that is also correct.

Josey
He did have a son who was on way to Australia BUT died on the boat.

Thanks again for any help this is all appreciated. Cheers MIchelle